For Those About to Pod, We Salute You - Episode 70

[00:00:23] Speaker A: Well, hello there and welcome to episode 70 of the rock podcast. We salute you. In this episode we've got rock News, of course, got hidden gems. We've reached the letter w in the eighties z of Rock and we've got some interesting new releases in new Rock on the block. So without further ado, here he is. I haven't got anything to say about him but here he is. It's Brian. Hello, Brian, how you doing? [00:00:58] Speaker B: Hello, Matthew. And as ever, I have nothing funny to say back but I will say how are you doing? [00:01:04] Speaker A: I'm doing all right, thanks, Brian, thanks for asking. Yeah, yeah, I'm doing right. In fact, we only saw each other recently, didn't we, at the magnificent Stone dead festival at Newark Showground in Nottinghamshire. I think it's Nottinghamshire. Some debate as to whether it was Nottinghamshire or Lincolnshire. But anyway, it was a fun weekend, wasn't it, Brian? [00:01:27] Speaker B: It was. It was really good. Yeah, we were. The weather was kind to us for most of the weekend and we saw an eclectic bunch of bands, I have to say. It was, yeah, it was, it was. It was interesting. I have a new band which I liked a lot, which was bonafide. I thought they were. They were a new band to me. I thought they were great. Yeah, it was a great weekend. Well, as ever, will organized and, you know, if we start. Start at the beginning. The Friday night was. Was excellent. We had. We had scarlet rebels, Paul Diano, who I'd never seen before and he did a full set of early iron Maiden material which you had. You had to tell me what most of it was apart from Phantom of the Opera. [00:02:21] Speaker A: Yep, yep. It was good. [00:02:24] Speaker B: He was. And choir boys who had two members of Thunder in the lineup in Luke Morley and Harry James. And Friday's always good. Always seem to get good bands on a Friday. And then the Saturday was good. You'd have loved it. You must have loved the. [00:02:42] Speaker A: I would have loved it if I'd have been there. And in fact I was there. So I did love it. I've got back to the choir boys and maybe we should call themselves Thunderboys from now on. That should. There's some debate around who actually is. Who actually is the quiet boys or who's in the quiet boys these days. Yeah. Luke Morley and Harry James and Nigel Mogg from I think the original lineup, the quiet boys. And of course Spike, the ubiquitous spike from the quiet boys was remarkably coherent, actually wasn't. He was very Friday night, although he didn't want to finish. They got a strict curfew and he almost had to be given the hook, didn't he? [00:03:28] Speaker B: He did. [00:03:30] Speaker A: And then it wasn't help when people started saying, one more song. I didn't think people did that. One more song. And then Paul Anthony in all his glory came out and said, you know, one more song, guys, and it's going to be disco. Yeah. And then it's disco time. Disco Saturday was good. Kicked off with one of my favorite bands at the moment, the hot one two. They were excellent. I mean, they were great. I mean, I was just paid to see them, to be honest with you. A magnificent band from Cambridge. We talked about them and their album, debut album, Superbia, which I recommend everyone to go and listen to. I've just blown my hidden gem for this episode. Now, we did review that. I think. I think we had that as a hidden gem many episodes ago, followed by Tailgunner. That's a good name, isn't it? I feel that they are very much named after an iron maiden song and they very much kind of model themselves on early Iron Maidenhouse, don't they? That kind of an 84 or 85 world slavery tour look very much. And it kind of works. They're so thin, you know, so thin. They are, yeah. I mean, they were wearing these kind of lycra type trousers. I thought, geez, I mean, I struggled. I probably only had to get one leg into those trousers. Brilliant. No good band. And then. Yeah. Who else was right? Who else is alright, yeah. But bonafide, you liked. You fast forwarded to them because you liked them so much. [00:04:55] Speaker B: I did. [00:04:55] Speaker A: They were good. [00:04:56] Speaker B: They were my band of the day and Eclipse. Eclipse, who were the swedish band who I was very much looking forward to see. They were, yeah, they were. They were an interesting. I always. It's always pretty good with the stone Dead festival because I do think they try to cater for a number of different genres and so that was the, that to me was the closest you would get to aor melodic rock. Eclipse. And they were, they were tremendous. I thought they were. Thought they were really good. And ugly kid Jill. [00:05:32] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, they were good. They were entertaining, weren't they? [00:05:34] Speaker B: They were. They really got the, they got the, they got the. They got the crowd going, I thought. And they had that sort of. They had that. They had that sort of like early evening slot and the weather, whether turned out nice. Dora pesh. I don't really know much about Dora Pesh and Warlock. I just remember her being ever present in Karang for a number of years. Always pictures of Doro and warlock. Um, but she came out, um, usually at festivals. Man, I don't know about you. Um, to me, festivals are always a time for you to play a few crowd pleasers and whatever. She didn't half push her new album. [00:06:16] Speaker A: Yeah, she did, didn't she? Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, but it was, you know, it was a good set all the same. [00:06:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:23] Speaker A: Um, in fact, she felt a. Interestingly enough, there was. There was a. I mean, this is. This whole festival is kind of a homage to the. The old monsters of rock, of course, at Donington park, which ran from 1980 to 1993. And Doro Pesh in, I think in Warlock was the first ever female performer on stage in 1986, which, when you compare that to. To obviously, you know, the current era where there's lots of. I mean, we had a female guitarist in. In tail Gunner and Doro herself and so on. You know, it sounds strange, you know, six years in the months of rock, she was the first female performer. I did think there was quite a heavy metal kind of undertone. Yes, they were. They were quite metal. Tail gunner, pretty metal. KK's priestley. Yeah, they were really good. KK Downing, formerly of Judas Priest and also Tim Owens, he also formerly of Judas Priest, the singer. When Rob Halford stepped away for a few years in the late nineties, early two thousands, but they did a. Basically half their set was priest classics and it was great for a priest fan like me. It was. It was magnificent. And then it was Brian Tatler's band, Brian Tyler's other band, Saxon, closed the festival. Magnificent. They're their usual fine tuned selves playing their hits. They did that bit bright. Do you remember? They did that bit where they said they've got three songs for you to choose from? [00:08:12] Speaker B: Yes. [00:08:13] Speaker A: And I thought, come on, really? You're not telling me you just kind of pick these out of a hat. You haven't even rehearsed them. And they did. The Eagles landed out of the selection, which is a killer. [00:08:24] Speaker B: Yeah, but I remember, I remember because you had a choice. You had. I remember. I don't know what the third song was, but I could remember the choice was right. Audience, you can choose sacrifice, which is a song I don't know. Or you could choose Eagle has landed and then, let's say ride like the wind. So it was. It was like three types of songs. So who wants sacrifice? Quiet, you know, a couple of people clapped. Who wants Eagle has landed? And the cry, go, yay. Third song, people go, whatever it was. And, you know, polite applause and Biff goes, right, we're playing sacrifice. So it's like I thought, right, no matter what the crowd says, you're getting sacrifice. And then they played the eagle has landed. Yeah, but he was, he was, he was. Yeah. I thought sex Saxon were great. And I know when we, you know, I think personally for a lot of the guys who organize, you know, this, the Stone Dead festival, Neil, Chris and Louise, I know that Saxon is one of the bands that I think Chris has been wanting to get for years. So I can imagine that the guys were all of. And with them being such a Donington theme and the bands played on, you know, it's obviously about monsters of rock, Donington. I'm sure the guys were all really chuffed about that. There's one band we forgot to mention indeed, which was the band called the Bites. They were a funny kind of band. They were quite sort of poppy, melodic. They kind of, in that journey, sort of very, you know, they weren't very metal at all, but they singer was pretty interesting. It is certainly an interesting pair of shorts. Oh, shorts, yeah. [00:10:16] Speaker A: Jeez. Yeah, absolutely. Blimey. Thank God. His t shirt was quite long, that's all I could say. Um, yes, the, the bites, not to be confused with it bites. Of course, you quite, you quite like them. Don't use a few thousand times. Um, shall we, uh. Should we move on to other. Yeah, other news. Um, Eric Bell, now who was, uh. Was he one of the founders of Tin Lizzie? [00:10:44] Speaker B: I guess he named them. [00:10:46] Speaker A: Oh, did he? That's right, he did. [00:10:48] Speaker B: He was finder. Yeah, he named them Tin Lizzie from. From the maggot. I was either the Beano or the dandy. Tin Lizzie. [00:10:56] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah. I don't know why they would name band after a comic book character, but I guess, you know, it's been done since. [00:11:03] Speaker B: But, yes. [00:11:04] Speaker A: Anyway, so, Eric, the 76 year old Eric Bell, I was very interested when I read this story and you'll hear why in a minute. So Eric Bell was born in Belfast and he is receiving the honor of the annual Northern Ireland. You know where I'm going with this, don't you, Brian? The Northern Ireland Music Prize Awards at Ulster hall in November, which is lovely. [00:11:25] Speaker B: Yes. [00:11:26] Speaker A: He says, I'm. He says I'm very basically very honoured to get the award, as you might imagine. And particularly in his hometown, of course, of home city of Belfast. Other recipients or previous recipients, not surprisingly, been Gary Moore, one Sir Vivian of Campbell. [00:11:46] Speaker B: Yep. [00:11:47] Speaker A: Therapy, stiff little fingers and the undertones. Several, several acts and guitarists that we've mentioned many times. There is someone missing from the list, though, Brian. A certain resident of Limavad. Not now a resident of Limavadi, but someone who was actually born in London, brought up in Limavardi. Plays a guitar a little bit. Not very well, but he plays really good guitar. It's good. When are you going to get your recognition, Brian? [00:12:12] Speaker B: Well, you know, as successful as our slayer for Stone Dead campaign was, we'll have to do that for 2025. Maybe we have, you know, melee for legend. Hashtag melee for legend. Melee for irish legende. [00:12:29] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, I think it's got. It's got a ring to it. Yeah, I'll have to work on. I'll have to work on the hashtag, but we will. [00:12:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:39] Speaker A: See what can do. [00:12:39] Speaker B: Yeah. Well deserved for Eric Bell. [00:12:42] Speaker A: Yes, indeed. And he's going to play at the. The event with his wonderfully named Eric Bell Trio. [00:12:50] Speaker B: There you go. [00:12:50] Speaker A: Oh, you saw, didn't you? Recently? [00:12:52] Speaker B: I saw them on St. Patrick's Day. I saw. And I met. I met the man and he signed one of my guitars. [00:13:00] Speaker A: Yeah, you told. You told us, all right. That me and the 14 listeners. Okay, at the time, you were so excited. Yeah. Eric Bell. Yeah. Good. Good for you, Eric. Good luck with that. We should probably mention the Oasis reunion. Oasis is not a band we talk about very much on this podcast. I'm not sure we've ever mentioned the lovely Gallagher brothers in Oasis, but even else, obviously, I think the whole world knows that they've announced their reunion tickets, went on sale recently and then sold out immediately. And then, of course, there's uproar that there's. They're all being resold here and there. I think the whole thing's gone mad. Resale seems to have gone. I mean, it seems to be worse than ever. [00:13:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:13:47] Speaker A: The sort of the second they're laughingly called secondary market, where basically you can charge anything. Dynamic pricing. [00:13:55] Speaker B: Yes. [00:13:56] Speaker A: For crying out. Which I think is extremely unfair. I'm not sure who benefits. I don't think the band benefit particularly, but I don't know. I don't know the ins and outs of it particularly. But, yeah, when you see the numbers racking up of the prices of tickets, I'm glad I didn't. I wasn't inclined to go. You did actually try to get tickets, didn't you, Brian? [00:14:17] Speaker B: I did, as usual. Yeah, failed as usual. Now that Oasis have joined that, I've now got a trio of gigs which I never got tickets for. So number one, obviously, was led Zeppelin, number two, Kate Bush, and number three, now, Oasis, come in, come on. But I read something on social media yesterday which made me laugh, made me laugh, where a father, a father put up on social media, he said, I queued for hours and hours and hours to get my daughter tickets for Taylor Swift. And now it's my turn to get. Now it's my turn to get tickets. Is she sitting at the computer at early hours of the morning queuing up to get tickets for me? I think not. And that made me. That made me laugh. But yeah, apparently. [00:15:12] Speaker A: Apparently you can get odds, quite generous odds, if you're a betting person. Quite generous odds that they're going to split up during the tour. Now, I think that's worth a cheeky fiber, to be honest with you. [00:15:23] Speaker B: There's actually. There's actually one of the reputation, one of the well known betting firms have actually. They've actually given you odds on Oasis splitting up before the tour actually starts. [00:15:35] Speaker A: Oh, really? Oh my goodness. It did, it did make me. And if you got a ticket, well done. You wanted the. I mean, there are quite a few dates and hopefully you got turkey ticket for a reasonable price if you did try and get on. It did make me think though, Brian and we talked about this in a very lengthy 4 hours today, wasn't it? Chief pre production double p. A four hour pre production discussion. What bands? With remaining members, as in living members, I should say that was the stipulation. We'd like to see reunite. And because of course, you couldn't have the Beatles without John Lennon, clearly. Or indeed George Harrison, or indeed Led Zepp without John Bonham and so on. So we thought, who would like to see reunionized? [00:16:27] Speaker B: Reunionized. There's a new word. [00:16:29] Speaker A: Yeah, just. I just made that up. Sounds good. Doesn't it kind of worsen it? Reunion. Who wants to be reunited? You and I were on the same page with a couple. Just, let's just run through a few journey, of course, with. With Steve Perry. Yeah, that'd be good. Not Joe Perry. No, brother Steve Perry. We've said that many times. That'd be great, Steve. And I said there's a potential for that. Judas priest with KK Downing would be nice. And Les Binks. I'm choosing Les Binks. Dave Holland's no longer with us in platinum steel and so on, or even keep Scott Travis. But Les Binks, you could argue, was there early on, or indeed Simon. Simon. Simon Phillips was top of my list. Would. I would love, and I would genuinely love to see the original four members of diamond head back together. I think I'm pretty certain they're still alive, unless I missed something. But obviously, Brian Tatler, now of Saxon, Sean Harris, Colin Kimberly and Duncan Scott, not to be confused with Duncan Scott, the Olympic swimmer. Of course, they are two different people. So I would love to see. Genuinely. Of course, I would love to see diamond. What have you got on your very lengthy list? Brian spent a huge amount of time putting 57 names down on a list. [00:17:44] Speaker B: Yeah. And of course. Of course, you put all of these. You think about the Internet blowing up and falling over. Ticketmaster. Falling over for bands. [00:17:54] Speaker A: Yeah. With diamond head reunion. [00:17:56] Speaker B: Absolutely. Yeah. So the first. The first one on my list is at bites. [00:18:01] Speaker A: Yes, of course. Is that Francis Dunnery? [00:18:05] Speaker B: That was Francis Dunnery. [00:18:07] Speaker A: That's Francis. [00:18:07] Speaker B: Donnie, Francis Donnery. But there's. There's obviously Duran Duran. All members are still here. But for Duran Duran to get back together with Andy Taylor, who was the, you know, the rock element of Duran Duran, would be lovely to see. And I know that Andy's written with Duran Duran. One that I would certainly pay to see, which would be. And they nearly did this a few years ago in Los Angeles, would be the original David Lee Roth Eatman smile band, which would be. No, I wouldn't. That's something that would be a possibility because, you know, now that Billy Sheehan's, you know, his commitments with Mister bigger finished, David Lee Ross. Not really doing much. That would be. I would pay a lot of money to see. To see that. [00:19:03] Speaker A: Steve. Steve Vien, the guy who was the drummer. [00:19:07] Speaker B: Greg Bissonette. [00:19:08] Speaker A: Greg Bissonet. Of course it was. Yeah, yeah, there's. You never know. There's a potential for that. You mentioned r e m when we were talking. [00:19:15] Speaker B: Yes. Yeah. [00:19:17] Speaker A: Five. Five hour pre production discussion earlier, and you mentioned RM. I don't remember. Didn't really split up, did it? Just stopped. Just stopped. [00:19:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:19:28] Speaker A: Between splitting up and just stopping or just firing someone and someone leave anyway. But, yeah, you could have Rem on your list, of course. [00:19:36] Speaker B: And then, of course, dire straits with Martin. That would. I think that would be one where dynamic pricing and Ticketmaster would. Would blow up the jam. With Paul Weller, XTC, you know, all the members of XTC are still alive. And famously, you know, they. They gave up tour and Andy Partridge, they effectively became a Beatles type band and they just did studio work. Skid row. It always seems to come around, doesn't it, Matt? That skid row and. And Sebastian Bach. Yeah. And who knows, with dear old Black Sabbath, you know, all of the original members are still alive and we keep being told about, you know, it's. It's unfinished business that they, that they haven't had that one last show with Bill Ward. So there are some, some of the reunions I had on my list in our four hour meeting. [00:20:31] Speaker A: Yeah, I was back to 4 hours. Is it? I thought it was five, but okay. Yeah. What else? We got one, one thing that I thought was quite interesting, Lemmy's ashes. This is quite, this is actually on the national news, possibly Lemmy's ashes are the great Lemmy. Bass player, singer, motorhead. Of course, if you don't know who Lemmy is, where have you been for the last 50 years? Anyway? Lemmy's. Lemmy's ashes are going to be kept in rock city in Nottingham. They spent some time at bloods, the Bloodstot festival, and as we know, that he did pass out some of his ashes in bullets to some of his friends. [00:21:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:14] Speaker A: Slash and funny thing, of course, but I thought this is very typically Lemmy in that his, the lemmy sculpture in which his ashes are now stored in some safe deposit box, is made from tank parts. And Harley Davidson's doesn't get more rock and roll than that, does it? Doesn't at all metal. And I like, I'm a great fan of recycling, of course, and that's the ultimate recycling, isn't it? Tank parts and bits of old Hardy Davidson's. I'm. Their old Hardy Davis is not. Someone's like, come out from McDonald's into the car park and found, you know, fender missing or something like. That's an interesting one. If we're ever in Nottingham, we should go. We should go there, right? We should. We should have done a pilgrimage last. Last time we were in. Or it's don't do. Maybe we'll do it next year. Yeah, that's only up the road. Anyway. Got anything else? [00:22:09] Speaker B: Yes, I am. I think it's going to be interesting talking about bands getting back together and reunions. What's this space for the month of September, Matt? Lincoln park have put some messages up on social media saying that. That in early September they are. They are going to announce something. Yeah, I know the well known and well named Derek wobbly from some 41 has come out very, very quickly and said, I'm not joining some 41. So I think. Yeah, he's. [00:22:56] Speaker A: I thought he was nailed on. [00:22:58] Speaker B: No, well, I thought he was because he guest with, guested with him on a festival a few years ago and he sounded great, but no, Derek. Derek's come out because he's got a memoir out of his. Of his rock and roll days. So he's. He's out selling his book at the moment. But Derek's come out and said, I am doing it. So it'd be interesting. Interesting to see what's going to happen to Lincoln park, because Chester is going to be a big voice, big shoes to fill in Lincoln park. So, yeah, I'm. [00:23:32] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's interesting. I. I actually heard it was Derek wibbly. Um, and then now if he's denying it, then maybe. Maybe it's someone else. Who knows? [00:23:44] Speaker B: Who knows? [00:23:44] Speaker A: Maybe we'll find out in due course. [00:23:49] Speaker B: So, Matt, we come to that part of the show, which is new rock on the block, and we have a couple of albums to review. This episode we've got falling in reverse and els Bailey's new album. Well, we kick off with falling in reverse. What did you think of this album? Popular? Monster? [00:24:13] Speaker A: Yes, well, someone, a friend of mine at work down at the slaughterhouse down the abattoir recommended morning in reverse. And so I'll check them out. And I just happen to coincide with their 6th album. They formed in 2008. Essentially, they're one guy and a sort of band of musicians. Ronnie. Ronnie Radke sounds like he should have played fair, should have played for Hereford in the early seventies, if you. If you know, you know. But Ronnie. Ronnie Radke, he's an interesting character and. And this album is. Is quite something popular monster. Now, I. We've never talked about falling reverse. In fact, I don't think we've ever kind of referenced them on this podcast because the music is very interesting, very eclectic, the album, I would say you mentioned Lincoln park earlier. There's all sorts going on. I wouldn't listen to it with grandma, to be honest with you, because talks about all sorts of issues regarding substance abuse and mental illness and so on and so forth, and very graphic, let's say. But musically, I really enjoyed it. I listened to it this morning, Brian, when I was at the gym. Yes, I went to the gym. [00:25:41] Speaker B: Wow. [00:25:42] Speaker A: And I listened to it while I was on the treadmill. I didn't. Downhill mode, of course, but, you know, it's still. Still a mode. And I quite enjoyed it. I quite enjoyed it. It's tons of energy. It's a kind of an amalgam of linking park. You mentioned earlier there's a bit Lincoln park in there. I think it's very Lincoln parking places. There's some slipknot style, sort of contrasting vocals. There's. There's some kid rock style songs in there, you know, rapid type songs and, you know, some. I mean, it's brutal stuff, frankly. Most of it. I mean, it's very metal. It's. It's got. It's got one or two sort of light, light songs. But prequel is the introductory song, which is quite a kind of an interesting kind of take on his view of the world. Popular monster all my life features jelly roll. Yeah, that's quite. That's quite. That's quite a kind of a relief to get that song in number three because it's more of a kind of country song and then it's back into more sort of brutal stuff with voices in my head and bad guy and watch the world burn. I mean, come on, they're not exactly love songs, are they? But that's trigger warning, zombified and so on. There is a re recording of, uh, last resort at the end. The, uh. What was that? It was limp Bizkit, wasn't it? Last resort. [00:27:11] Speaker B: Papa roach. [00:27:13] Speaker A: Papa roach, sorry. Yeah, so my knowledge of that here is pretty broad. But, um. Yeah, I know how I, uh, have a listen to it. I'd recommend it to take a listen. I mean, it's. It's. It's interesting stuff. It's. It's. It's metal, it's rap, it's, um. It's got a little bit of a country thrown in. Um, so I would give it a kind of a, you know, gentle six and a half, seven out of ten. Brian. Brian's now collapsing at my mark. I've given it because I'm not sure you were, mind you, last time we did this, I was. I thought you're going to, you know, you hated the album and end up with. I forget it was now, but end up being your album of the year. [00:27:55] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. [00:27:56] Speaker A: So we shall, um. We shall. We should obviously revit. Revisit that. But what did you buy? Watercolor, of course, with your album of the year? [00:28:03] Speaker B: Or is your album so far. Yeah, yeah. [00:28:06] Speaker A: What did you think of, um, of this, um, piece of work, Brian? [00:28:12] Speaker B: I. There are so many different. So musically it is very, very, very diverse. Um, you know, as you. As you say, it's got metal core, it's got rap metal. There are some of the heavier songs that you've. That you've talked about. And then it'll have this sort of like stab of queen muse harmony vocals, you know what I mean? You'll be. And he does that kind of like that really guttural voice, you know, the lamb of God, voice. But. But then there'll be this moment of just, like, wonderful, clear harmonies. Um, you know, the, um, the. Just so musically, very, very interesting, I have to say. Um, it just was a maybe be a little bit too diverse for me in. And when I listened to the album, when. When the standout song on the album, which I think is. Which I think is amazing, the reimagining of Paparoche's last resort, that is by far the standout track on the album. And it shows off Ronnie's vocal range. You know, he's such a stunning singer on that song that some of the other tracks, which are where he's got collaborations with rap artists, etcetera, it's as if he can do the lot and he does the lot, but it's a little bit too much for me. I like an album to be. You know, I like an album to be interesting, but it was just too diverse for me. Matt. I was kind of going. I was struggling a little bit, but when we look at the song of the year, the last resort, that's up there for me, that's. That could be in the way. When disturbed did sound of silence and just went viral, that that has got the possibilities of doing that. And the jelly roll collaboration, you know, the song all my life, it actually sounded a little bit like some 41, that kind of poppier, new metal type things. So there's some interesting bits in it. You know, I wouldn't be as kind the six and a half out of ten, you know, I'd probably go more four and a half to five. And that would be very much based around two or three outstanding tracks. But the rest of it was just musically really interesting, but vocally just too mad for me. [00:30:49] Speaker A: Well, fair enough, in the words of Ron Burgundy, will agree to disagree. Okay, so that was a popular monster by pawning in reverse. Which brings us to the. The latest album by Els Bailey. You couldn't be further from morning reverse with beneath the neon glow. What do you. Did you enjoy? You must have enjoyed this. [00:31:22] Speaker B: I love this. [00:31:23] Speaker A: Right up your Americana Avenue, isn't it? [00:31:25] Speaker B: It really is. It is, it is. We are. We are on. We're on Americana Drive. Turning off onto Cheryl Crow Avenue, past Stevie Nick's house, whatever you want to call it, as we drive up on a lovely sun kissed evening with the radio on, listening to Laurel Canyon music as. Yeah, all of those analogies, Matt, it is. It's a lovely, sun kissed easy listen. So, you know, the tracks. The tracks on it, you know, in terms of how, I don't know about you with this album, but it's. Els is a great singer and her songwriting is really, really good as well, too. I don't give her. This is probably one of the first albums I've really taken to listen to Elsinore. To me, when I listen to this album, there's some really, really easy songs that open it up, matt, you know, they know lead off tracks like enjoy the ride. It eases into it, but it's the last three or four tracks where Elle's singing her songwriting. The back end of the album is just tremendous. And all of that. Stevie. Stevie Nicks, Cheryl Crowe, you know, comparisons, it's. She has her own sound and I think the last, the last three or four tracks on the album, matt, just are masterpieces. And I'm kind of, I'm looking at it going, maybe it's just a Spotify generation where nobody really thinks about the track listing of albums, but if I had been looking at this album, Matt, I'd have been putting the, the last three tracks as the first three tracks on the album. It was just. It was a pleasure. You know, I listened to it and I'm listening to album, I'm going, oh, no, this is really good. It's really good. And to, you know, it's, you know, hate to use the Olympics analogy of it comes to the last. You know, you're handing the baton over and you've got let it burn, love yourself and turn off the news, which are just tremendous song. So I really, really liked the album. It's a very, very strong eight and a half, nine out of ten for me. Really, really enjoyed the album. [00:33:56] Speaker A: Well, very good. I would tend to agree with you. It's a slow burner. It does take a while to get going. I wasn't very keen on it when I first started listening to it because I suppose I'd listen to too much of falling in reverse. And I was feeling a bit of battered when I came to. This is. It's kind of got that sort of roots rock, americana vibe to it. And as you say, she's got. She's a fantastic, fantastic singer. [00:34:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:34:22] Speaker A: Brilliant songwriter. 1972. I think it's a very clever song. One of those kind of songs reminiscing. I don't think she was around in 1972, to be honest with you, but I think she kind of yearns for that era when things were, dare I say, simpler. There was no Internet, there's only two channels and so on and so forth, or three channels. I should say tv channels, that is in the UK. Yeah. My favorite song is of the album is you touched upon it, the last song, turn off the news, which there's very interesting sentiment, sentiment behind it. And in a way, you know, kind of sort of taking a view of the world and there's so much stuff going on that, you know, in a way, you just basically want to turn it off and kind of bury your head under the pillow kind of thing. So, very interesting album and very well written. It's made me kind of want to revisit her or visit her back catalog. Not revisit, because I've never listened to any other Ells Bailey albums, but certainly it's inspired me to listen to her previous four or five albums. So, yeah, I enjoyed it. It's not my album of the year for sure, but it's certainly a really good listen. And one you could kind of put on in the background and one you can have probably not workout, because I'm at the gym a lot, as you know, Brian, probably. Probably not a workout albumen or set of songs. I've only just started going to the gym, by the way, for my bad knee, my arthritic knee. Too much information. Anyway, where were we? Yeah, so it's good album, it's nice background music, got a nice vibe to it. And, yeah, I recommend everyone go and listen to beyond the neon glow by Els Bailey. That was it. That's new rock on the block for this episode. [00:36:02] Speaker B: Bryenna is indeed. [00:36:08] Speaker A: So bright. We come to the letter w in the a to z of rock. [00:36:12] Speaker B: We do indeed. [00:36:12] Speaker A: And I think. Yes, thank you. I think there's no better place to start than the who. [00:36:17] Speaker B: The what? [00:36:20] Speaker A: Oh, here we go. The who? You've seen the who? Pete Townsend, Roger daughtry. I have David Keith Moon, John Embryon and so on. Well, still going kind of, aren't they? Are they still going kind of? Um, yeah, I mean, they formed in the early sixties and had an amazing career, amazing songs, iconic albums. There's really not much you can say about who is there. I mean, what are they like live, Brian? I've never seen them. What are they like? [00:36:52] Speaker B: They are amazing live. You know, I've seen them three or four times, I would probably say, out of the Hyde park concerts and shows that we. That. And I've been to a few with you. The who put on the best ever Hyde park outdoor show. When you've got a band that's able to go through the sixties, all their singles, you know, when you think of you know, my generation can explain. I can see for miles in the sixties and in the late. Well, in the sixties in general, it was all about singles and Pete Townsend could write a single then. Then the who turned into this album band and they're making rock operas and you've got Quadraphenia and you've got Tommy, which is. Which is amazing album. And yeah, they just move through the, you know, when you look at a who set, listen, just, you know, it won't get filled again. Goes down as the best scream of all time as far as I'm concerned. Well, it's certainly up there with Bruce Dickinson's scream. Yeah, the who. Amazing band. Mat love them and still playing well, you know, Roger sounding great and Pete Townshend playing a mean guitar indeed. Good shot. [00:38:13] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 1964, they were formed. So I made that 60. 60 years this year, which is, yeah, amazing. Amazing. As you say, amazing legacy and fantastic albums. And it kind of span the genres, really. So a lot of folks associate them as being a kind of mod band in the sixties. And certainly image wise they were. When I first saw, became aware of the who in the sort of late seventies or mid to late seventies, they. I thought they were more sort of, you know, rock, you know, Roger daughter in his long hair and all the rest of it and. But yeah, as you say, kind of amazing. Amazing Ben, amazing legacy and long way to continue. Where do you want to go next, Brian? I think I know where you want to go next, but go there anyway. [00:38:59] Speaker B: David? [00:39:01] Speaker A: Yes, speaking. Hello, darling. [00:39:05] Speaker B: Hello, darling. [00:39:06] Speaker A: David Covenants. [00:39:07] Speaker B: David Covenants with the White Fellows. [00:39:11] Speaker A: Yes, indeed. We've mentioned why it's Nate one or two times on this podcast. I was thinking. I was thinking about why Snake, actually. I guess, you know, you're a fan. I'm certainly a fan of the early period, having seen them in that kind of what a lot of people refer to as the kind of classic lineup with John Lord and Ian Pace, Bernie Mars and Mickey Moody and obviously cover down himself, probably old Neil Murray, of course. And then they kind of went through the, you know, that kind of hair metal period in the eighties and, you know, just recently called it a day. But, you know, you're obstetin your thunder because you're the. You're really the whitesnake fan amongst us. [00:39:55] Speaker B: Yeah, I think when it comes to a band, Matt, particularly by like, white snake, no matter who's in the band. And there has been a revolving door of white snake, particularly guitar players, in the years that they had. It all comes down to the songs for me, you look at that classic, the classic lineup, you know, the ready and willing lineup, as I would call it. You know, when you've got songs like full for your loving, you know, child of Babylon from, you know, come and get it, which is an amazing albumen. And then you can go into the, you know, into the early eighties before. Before the revamp and you've got. And, you know, slide it in, which is. Which is bang. You know, it's just packed with, you know, slow and easy. You've got cozy pile and drums. You've got, you know, John Sykes joins the band. They get a little bit more heavier. But it's all about the song. You know, the songs are great on slide it in the. And then it just went stratospheric with the 1987 album where Sykes and Coverdale just kind of. They just. That. That 1987 album just. It just. It just struck platinum, didn't it? You know, there wasn't, you know, still of the night is this love? Re recordings of crying in the rain. And then obviously the normal hit. And here I go again, rerecorded. So again, all about the songs and then. Yeah, and it probably just dipped a little bit for me when the slip of the tongue album came out. That's when they started to become a little bit of a pastation, but a bit of a parody of themselves. You know, they. The tongue in cheek lyrics, you know, tuning your g string up to a which will go down is probably one of the worst lyrics ever. But. [00:41:49] Speaker A: Yes, indeed. [00:41:49] Speaker B: What more can we say about David? [00:41:51] Speaker A: Yes, well, David Coverdale, of course, and white snake. As I was going through the list of bands, the w bands, it struck me that a lot of them w was a very popular letter to use for your band name in the eighties. You got white lion. Magnificent. Is it vita brata, amazing guitar player. Yeah, absolutely. Brilliant guitarist. Winger. [00:42:21] Speaker B: Yes, of course. Red beach. [00:42:23] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. I mean, they're still kind of going as an interior. [00:42:28] Speaker B: They are, yeah. Yeah, very much. [00:42:30] Speaker A: They played the UK recently, Kip Winger and Red beach and the rest of them, warrant, of course, who had a few. A few decent songs. [00:42:42] Speaker B: They did. They did Johnny Lee and the biggest smile on rock, didn't they? You know. [00:42:46] Speaker A: Yeah. The late Janey Lane. But they had some decent songs. And then similarly with a kind of new rock of the early nineties, the Wild Hearts and Wolfsbane, of course. [00:43:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:43:02] Speaker A: Who I really quite liked. That's. Yeah, I met Blaise Bailey recently. Did I tell you? Did I tell everyone I met Blaze Bailey. A festival he's a lovely guy. Blaze Bailey being the singer of Wolfsbane and singer of Iron Maiden for a little while, I spent ten or 15 minutes chatting to him. Very nice guy. [00:43:20] Speaker B: Yeah. Not only do you have lots of bands w somebody who we know we're talking about White's neck, but somebody who has got white in their name and often gets maligned as a guitar player. Certainly in the pantheon of guitarists and Thin Lizzie is Snowy White. Snowy White played guitar on two thin Lizzie albums, Renegade in Chinatown. Two very, very good thin Lizzie albums. But he just was a blues player. He recorded very well with thin Lizzie. You know, there was never any problem with any of the musical output in the studio. I just don't think he was an out and out rocker with leather trousers and pulling shapes and a Les Paul, but snowy white. And he went on to have a, you know, a brief solo career in the top ten with bird of paradise and probably. And for me, probably, you know, he played with Roger Waters for a number for a number of years and his solo band. So, yeah, Snowy White deserves an honourable mention in rws. [00:44:34] Speaker A: Very good. Very good. By the way, thanks to everyone who made his suggestions on facebook. We always appreciate that. And amongst those mentioned were the water boys, of course. [00:44:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:44:49] Speaker A: Wow, what a band they were. I thought they were irish. Are you asking me or telling me? [00:44:58] Speaker B: No, I thought they were irish. No, they're scottish. They're from Edmund. [00:45:03] Speaker A: That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Hold of the moon, of course, is probably one of the greatest songs ever, ever written. [00:45:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:12] Speaker A: Amazing song. And then also one or two other folks mentioned Wishbone Ash, if you haven't mentioned Martin Turner. Yeah, I mentioned, I think last episode we talked about flying vehicles. Andy Powell was the flying v player in which we're Nash. Not, not Martin Turner. Um, we've got, uh, coming up to date. We've got, uh. When rivers meet. We're an interesting band. Husband wife, uh, fronted band, which is, uh. We're checking out, um, along with the warning, uh, three sisters from Mexico who we saw, um, at what, Steelhouse. They were also made of stone. They're worth checking out. They, they, um. And they've. They've got some great songs and they've got a certain sort of appeal. Warlock was mentioned, we mentioned earlier in the context of Doro, of course. What else you got, Brian? [00:46:08] Speaker B: Some guitar players to add into, you know, into the W's. Zach Wild, who, you know, replaced Jakey Lee. I always remember the first single, miracle Mandy, which was, which was just phenomenal. [00:46:27] Speaker A: JK Lee with Ozzy Osbourne, of course. [00:46:29] Speaker B: Yes, that's right. But somebody who was a massive influence on Zack was Leslie west from Mountain, who actually, I think I'm right in saying that, guitar wise, Eddie Van Halen would talk about two guitarists that, from a tone perspective and really influenced them was Eric Clapton. And Leslie west, who's an amazing. You know, Mississippi Queen's just a phenomenal song. Yeah. And Stevie. Johnny Winter as well, too, an amazing blues guitar player. His brother Edgar as well. Both of them with the long, long white hair. Steve Winwood, famously from traffic, blind faith. And his own solo career in the mid eighties, still going well. Probably a little bit more jazzier, even world music. And somebody who I have to mention in the w, which is John. Wait. John waits, an amazing vocalist who I just. Yeah, I think he's a phenomenal guitar player, a phenomenal singer with the work that he did both solo and with bad english. [00:47:46] Speaker A: Yes, indeed. And the babies, of course. Yes. He says he knows something about John Wayne. We must mention the Wilson sisters, of course, Anne and Nancy Wilson. And we wish Ann Wilson very well in her battle with cancer. I just want to mention Wembley Stadium and Wembley arena quite often, as we've discussed many times. The only date on a. On a UK tour that forms part of a world tour. Of course, I've been to Wembley Stadium many times by one of my favorite gigs there was the Joshua Tree. You too, back in 1987. We touched upon that a few episodes ago in the context of the letter U. Songs wise, we've got a few of those albums wise, we've got too many to mention white wedding and wishing well and who made who. And wild in the streets by Diamond Head and also by Bonjour wild. Willingly innocent by UFO, I should say, and so on. What else you got for us, bright? [00:48:44] Speaker B: You've got Pink Floyd. Yeah, we got Pink Floyd's the wall. We would get. We would get lynched if we didn't mention the wheels of Steel by good old Saxon, wild frontier by Gary Moore. And wish you were here by Pink Floyd. Yeah, we could, Matt. We could have done a double episode of w. There was that. So many, uh, things that we could have gone with. [00:49:08] Speaker A: Indeed, a double album with a gatefold sleeve. Just like wishbone Ash. Right, that was w. So, Brian, that brings us to the final part of episode 70, hidden gym Ties. Thanks, Lola. Sounding great as always. What you got, Chris? [00:49:28] Speaker B: Brian, um. I, um. You mentioned Eric Bell at the beginning of the show match. [00:49:33] Speaker A: I did. [00:49:34] Speaker B: You did. Well remembered, Northern Ireland. And I am going with a band from Northern Ireland, from down Patrick. This isn't. This is a real hidden gem for me. This is an album from 2001. The album is called Wildflowers and it's a band called Relish. Now it's relished. Great, great band. Had some pretty heavy duty patronage or patronage if you're for our us listeners. [00:50:11] Speaker A: Either. Either. [00:50:11] Speaker B: Either, either. So they got some real heavy hitting patronage from Brian May, Larry Mullen Junior and U two, whenever you two played slain castle. And they early two thousands, I think relish were on the bill. And a couple of the guitar player. The guitar player ended up playing with Sinead O'Connor and her touring band as well as Paul Weller. So the band are relish and the album is wildflowers. Couple of tracks, Matt, to put on the playlist for this episode, if you can put on Rainbow, Zephyr and my earworm track of this week, which is a track called Heart Shaped Box. That's not to be confused with Nirvana's heart shaped box. So my hidden gem for this episode is wildflowers by the band relish. [00:51:18] Speaker A: Very good. Well, you could check them out. You get these. You pull these out from nowhere, don't you? Just out of the ethereum. So mine is. Mine's an ep. I'm not sure we've ever done an ep, actually. When I was getting ready to go to Stonehead festival and see Paul Diano, who I hadn't seen since 1981, my first gig, I maiden on the Killers tour. I've mentioned that many times, but it inspired me to revisit the early maiden catalogue. Um, basically the first album I made and the second album, Killers, uh, the only two albums he did with the band, but he also did. And this is my hidden gem for this week. There was also uh, in between those two albums in uh. Actually in. In May 81 they brought Maiden. Brought out Maiden Japan, a four track ep recorded in surprise, surprise in um. In Japan. Um. And it's worth checking out because it's. There's. There's not much live material featuring Paul Diano. There's obviously plenty of live albums featuring Bruce Dickinson over the years, but not much featuring Paul Diano. So yeah. My hidden gem for this episode is made in Japan from Nice Nation one features running free, remember tomorrow, killers and innocent exile. So a nice kind of split of tracks from both the first two Iron Maiden albums. And it takes you back to that era when everyone toured Japan and eps were fairly. Fairly regular on the. On the shelves. And at the time I was absorbing everything I made and this, I remember, was. Was no exception. So, yeah, made in Japan by iron maiden from 1981 is my hidden gem for this episode. Brian. [00:53:12] Speaker B: There you go. [00:53:13] Speaker A: That's it. [00:53:14] Speaker B: Boom. [00:53:16] Speaker A: So that was episode 70, and that, in fact, is the last for those about to pod we're going to be doing for a while. We're pausing the podcast because we've got some very exciting news to share with you in due course, Brian and I are moving on to other ventures together, still standing together, and we will tell you all about it in due course. So check out our Facebook page. We'll also be inundating you with messages and information and news. But very, very shortly, we'll have some very exciting news for everyone regarding the next phase of our our career, let's say. Brian. So without further ado, thank you all for listening. Thanks to Scotland rocks radio for having us for the last year or so. Thanks to everyone for listening in the last 70 odd episodes. Thanks to all the bands that have been part of this, and we've interviewed. Thanks for all the comments on Facebook. It's not really goodbye, though, because we will be back. We'll be back very soon. As I say, we'll be letting you know in due course when everything kind of is wrapped up. But for now, thanks very much for listening. We'll speak to you all soon. Does that applaud? We salute you. Is a Mandehead Rogers production.