For Those About to Pod, We Salute You - Episode 68

[00:00:23] Speaker A: Well, hello there and welcome to episode 68 of the rock podcast. For those about the pod, we salute you in this episode. Episode, we've got rock news in what's caught your eyebrow? We've got new releases from Mister Big, the commoners and the end machine. It's the eighties in a rock, and we're coming towards the end and we're at the letter U, so fingers crossed for us. I think that's it, Bry, isn't it? Without further ado, here he is, the man in the motorhead t shirt. He's not fast, he's not Eddie, he's just Brian. Here he is. How's Brian? How you doing, mate? [00:01:01] Speaker B: I'm very well, mate. Born. What is it? Born to lose, winter. [00:01:08] Speaker A: Born to lose. Live to win. [00:01:09] Speaker B: There you go. That's it there. [00:01:11] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah, yeah, I'm very well, thanks for asking. So, how are you? That's it, yeah, I'm doing. I'm doing fine, seriously. I've got a bit of a bad knee and a. A bad hip, but apart from that, I think that's old age creeping up for me. But apart from that, I'm fine. So, before we get into the news, I need to give you my. Because we never speak between these episodes, do we? Don't really like each other that much. One of those bands that go off in separate tour buses, really in opposite direction. We're the David Lee Roth and Eddie Van Halen of the podcast world. I'm joking, of course we do. Yeah, I went to ICDC at Wembley. [00:01:52] Speaker B: That's why you did your knee in. That's why you were doing your Angus duck walk, weren't you? [00:01:59] Speaker A: Well, I'll come on to a story about that in a minute, actually, if you push me on it. But, yeah, AC DC, Wembley, it was great on the whole. [00:02:08] Speaker B: Ooh, controversial. [00:02:10] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, I've read a few reviews of it and I had to agree to some degree with what's been said about AC DC. Basically, it's the bride and Angus show these days. Angus was on fine form in his blue schoolboy outfit, 69 years old, still going strong, as you say, duck walking and doing his dying fly during let there be rock. And so on. Slightly overlong let there be rock, if I'm honest with you, but still good. On the same 21 songs, as we discussed, a kind of rough split between the bond and the bride. Eradic. Brian Johnson's voice sort of held up. I think most people sang along with most of the songs, which probably helped. But, yeah, it was all in all and all pretty good. Wembley Stadium has got that sort of, like most stadiums has got a sort of a fairly kind of clinical feel about it when it comes to gigs, but the sound does bounce around a little bit. But it was nice and loud. We were quite close to the front, thanks to my wife and her ticket buying prowess. [00:03:16] Speaker B: So were you standing or seats? [00:03:19] Speaker A: We were. Well, we had seats, but everyone stood up where we were. [00:03:22] Speaker B: Right. [00:03:23] Speaker A: Which is like, you know, old school. First chord of what they begin with. If you want blood, you got it. We were up and it was great. It was great. Nice way to book it. I saw AC DC first time in 1981. I don't think I'll see them again. I don't think they'll tour the UK again, unfortunately. But, yeah, nice way to kind of, you know, bookend their. What, their career, as far as I was concerned, of course. So, yeah, all good. Okay. It's kind of slightly unreal when they come on in broad daylight. Yeah. You know, and the lights only really kick in, you know, about three quarters of the way into the set. But, you know, you can't. Can't do anything about, you know, the movement of the. The sun around the earth because the sun. Does the sun rotate? No, I don't. Of course, I know we rotate around the. Round the sun. Anyway, enough of those. That astronomy lesson. It's all good. How about you? What's happening in your world? Any gigs? [00:04:21] Speaker B: Yeah, I went to see in Edinburgh at the moment where they have the Edinburgh tattoo, so they set everything up just right outside in the forecourt of Edinburgh Castle. So that's all set up. And what they do every year now is they have an outdoor concert, so you'll have the stereophonics, Tom Jones, Kylie, everybody play. You know, quite a few people will play. And whilst you were watching the Netherlands play England, I was watching Swedes and the manic street preachers. Now, Suede is a band that I've never seen before. I've always wanted to see Suede because they are. They are the band that started brit pop. Wasn't Oasis, wasn't blur, it was Swede. And they came on first, and you're kind of going. You think about. They came on about, oh, gosh, just back a seven, Matt. And it was like broad daylight. There was lights, you know, there was no need for any lights. And Swede just battered through their set and they got the crowd going. The Manic Street Preachers. I have had a love affair with the Manic street preacher since 1991. They played Sunderland. They played Sunderland, Polly. And they. And they had their first single called Crash and Burn, and they were giving it out around the poly. [00:05:54] Speaker A: Love that song. I love that song. [00:05:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:56] Speaker A: One of the best songs they've done, I think, isn't it? [00:05:58] Speaker B: Yeah. So they. So they were giving that out around our student union to try and entice people to come in and watch the Manic street preachers. So I've seen the Mannix a few times. You know, we're going to talk about some guitar players later on in the show. James Dream Bradfield is just. He is just an amazing guitar player and a great singer. And they played all of the hits they did, you know, a design for life, you know, motorcycle emptiness. Went through the whole catalog and I've not seen them for a few years, Matt. And they just. They just sound like a vintage wine. [00:06:38] Speaker A: They sound like a vintage wine being poured into a glass. I like the sound of that. Yeah. [00:06:44] Speaker B: Really? Yeah. [00:06:45] Speaker A: Full. Nice, full bodied. Yeah, I know. You mean they get better with age? [00:06:49] Speaker B: Yes. [00:06:50] Speaker A: Very good. Big fans of rush, of course. Well, it's Nicky wire. [00:06:53] Speaker B: Nikki wire. Yeah, yeah. [00:06:55] Speaker A: Is. Sorry. Yeah. Just to backtrack a bit. So, as we've established many times, you were at university for 15 years. How far into this, I guess you must be at the end of your university life. [00:07:08] Speaker B: It was the twilight. Yeah, it was, you know, Twilight Zone. You kind of break it up. It was in the third trilogy, you know. [00:07:17] Speaker A: Okay. [00:07:18] Speaker B: Yeah, 15 years. It was 15 years. I was in the. I was in the last. I was in the last five years. [00:07:24] Speaker A: The third trimester. [00:07:25] Speaker B: Yes. [00:07:29] Speaker A: Whatever that means. [00:07:30] Speaker B: I was in the third quarter. [00:07:33] Speaker A: Anyway, let's move on. In other news now, this is. This has gone a bit mental, this. This tenacious D. We talked about tenacious D last time in the. In the context of the letter t, of course. And the tenacious D story has gone a bit global really recently. I think a lot of people will be aware of it. So they were on tour in Australia. So essentially, tenacious D is Jack Black from school to rock and his partner in crime, Carl Gass. And Carl Gass was celebrating his 64th birthday in a gig, or our gig, they were doing in Sydney, Australia. And it was a few days after the failed assassination attempt on Donald Trump. And he was asked to make. I mean, it was really teed up for a minute. You know, when you look back on it, you think, really, Jack? But that said, he was asked to blow out his candles and make a wish. And he basically made a very disparaging comment about Donald Trump and about the assassination, and I quote, don't miss Trump next time, which is in front of an audience in very sensitive Australia, immediately led to an outcry and Jack Black cancelled the tour. Kyle Gass management company, I think, have dropped him. Green talent. I mean, one comic comment, as it were, this obviously severely backfired on Kyle. And I do have some sympathy for him. We've all maybe know, put our foot in it a little bit over the years and said something we probably shouldn't have done. But with a global audience, certainly, you know, it escalated from Sydney to a global audience. Probably not. Not the wisest thing they've ever done or indeed said on the part of Kyle Gas. So I'm not sure what the future holds for tenacious deal or indeed Kyle Gass. Very, very sad set of circumstances, really, folks. Brian. [00:09:44] Speaker B: Yeah, I think it's just, you know, you've got, you know, he's a funny guy. They're on stage. I don't want to put them in the bad news parody band. You know, Tennessee. You know, Jack, they are good musicians, however, they are funny guys. And there sometimes you can just, you know, make a wish and you think you're saying something funny. And then this age of everything's recorded and everything is said what you think is quite funny. And to be fair, there were a few people in the audience that laughed as well, too. But I think when people look at it from the outside in and reflect on it, you know, there's a lot of australian, I think it was australian ministers were saying to port tenacious d now. And from Jack Black's point of view, he had to, in my view, he had to distance himself very, very quickly from it because he's got movie projects, he's got his own brand, and he's got. And he probably doesn't condone that kind of. He didn't say it, so therefore he's got to say, sorry, Kyle. And Kyle's come out and he's apologized. Yeah, it's. For me, it's interesting, the wording of it where, you know, tenacious d is canceled the tour, tenacious D is effectively on hold and no more creative plans, etcetera. So I think it's a case of let things die down and then see. See if people want to listen to tenacious day again. Yeah. [00:11:25] Speaker A: Yeah. Shame. [00:11:26] Speaker B: Yeah, it is. Real shame. Good band. [00:11:29] Speaker A: How about that? In other news, and I applaud this by Bob Dylan, not someone we've spoken a lot about on the podcast over the years, but he has announced his UK tour, he's playing outside of London, you'll be pleased to hear. Brian. Hello. Big Bob Dylan fan. 83 years old. He is now Bob Dylan, but he's banned mobile phones at his UK tour coming up this year, which I applaud. I mean, I don't mind people kind of having the mobile phone on them, but you know, the times when you've. And we did it, we did a bit many episodes ago about do's and don'ts at gigs. [00:12:11] Speaker B: Yes. [00:12:11] Speaker A: And I think this is one of them, putting your phone up and recording the entire gig, or indeed big chunks of it is, I think, a little bit antisocial within the gig context, in my opinion. People do it and I take the odd picture, of course, and, you know, even the odd, odd little snippet here and there, but, you know, not the whole thing. And, and, you know, I think he's, I think he's very brave. I'm not sure how you're going to police it, but he, he said in the event of an emergency, attendees can unlock their phones by going to a dedicated and signed, posted area intended for phone use. So you're down the front of Bob Dylan. I guess it might be seated. Say you're seated and you want to, you know, make a phone call or respond to a text or something. How you enjoyed Bob Dylan gig. Oh, no, I'm going to have to run to the designated area, say, yeah, good, and then run back. What songs is he playing? Run back and so on. It could get a little bit farcical. I see, I see where it's coming from. I see where it's coming from. Mister Zimmerman, of course. Give him his proper name. The great Bob Dylan. [00:13:25] Speaker B: Somebody who, somebody who did this a few years ago and they trailblazed a little bit on this. Was Jack Black or not. Go on. We talked about Jack Black, Jack White from the white stripes. His brother, his brother is right. So Jack White. And he actually was playing in the usher hall. And I know people who had to do this is they put everybody's phones in designated, locked, sort of sealed sleeves. So basically you had, your phones were taken away from you and, and it kind of worked out okay. You had some people going, what happens if I get an emergency call and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah? And, and I, and I get that. And I think there's, there's, there's an element of, you know, if you're a kid, you know, if you've got responsibilities and you need to be available, you know, 24/7 then yeah, you must have your phone on you. But wouldn't it be lovely if we could get to a nice, happy medium where if people had their phones at gigsmat that a bit like photographers, when photographers go to a gig to get three songs, to get the first three songs and then they're out of the way? And wouldn't it be much nicer if you went to a concert and you said, tell you what, the first three songs of the gig, take as many photographs as you like, but after that, can you just put your phone away and enjoy the gig? [00:14:52] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree, I agree. But it's a bit like suggesting that all the tall people stand at the back and all the short people stand at the front. It's just not going to happen. Unfortunately, even though it's a nice idea, we don't live in utopia, which is a u we'll come on to later the letter u in the 80 z of rock? I think I did. [00:15:08] Speaker B: I think you did. [00:15:09] Speaker A: Yeah, no, I know what you mean. But anyway, more to come on that. That story and, you know, depending on your perspective, you know. Well done, Bob. See how that plays out. What else you got for us, Brian? Anything interesting? [00:15:22] Speaker B: Yeah, so something that I never thought I. We've talked about many instruments on the show, Matt, that have come up for sale. Kurt Cobain, you know, Jimi Hendrix guitars. Yeah, and my favorite bassist. [00:15:38] Speaker A: No, my favorite bassist. Your favorite bassist is lemmy, of course, but. Yeah. Paul McCartney's bass guitar and so on. Yes. Sorry, I interrupted. [00:15:46] Speaker B: No, no, you didn't. You didn't at all. I was just going to say. And anything that Joe Bonamassa seems to get his hands on, he seems to have everybody's. You know, he's. But one guitar that I never thought would come up for sale has come up for sale this weekend, which is Rory Gallagher's legendary 1961 Fender Stratocaster. Those people who know me. You know me well, Rory Gallaher. Rory Gallagher has a very special place in my heart. And I think in a lot of just. I think a lot blues rock, anybody who's into guitar playing, a lot of people, you know, it's that famous line from Jimi Hendrix's line which says, what does it feel like to be the world's greatest guitarist? And Jimi Hendrix said, ask Rory Gallagher. That's good. You know what I mean? You need to say no more than that. But his brother Donal has put the guitar up for sale, so it's gonna go up for auction. Matt, amongst. Amongst quite a lot of other of Rory's equipment and it's expected to sell for about 700 to a million quid. So, you know, and you get everybody coming out and saying, you know, I hope somebody buys it who will play it. And it's not going to just sit in a glass, you know, a glass case and a billionaire's house. And the people of Cork have put together, you know, like a GoFundMe page and they've, they've been trying to raise money so that the people of Cork can have the guitar. And I think earlier this week they'd got about 30 grand. [00:17:37] Speaker A: So. [00:17:38] Speaker B: Yeah, so. So bless them. So you're kind of going, it's not looking good for the. For the crowdfunding, but. [00:17:44] Speaker A: But how would that work in practice, then? So if there's 30 of you put in a grand each, let's say 1000 pounds each, do you each get to like, you know, own it for a week and then pass it on to the next person? [00:17:58] Speaker B: It's like a guitar share. [00:18:00] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I suppose it could work. You know, your turn. Like when you were child, you stayed the guinea pig home for the summer holidays or whatever it was from the classroom. But I think when we were talking in pre production. [00:18:15] Speaker B: Oh, right, okay. [00:18:17] Speaker A: Yeah. To a pre production meeting we have. [00:18:19] Speaker B: Yeah. Short one this episode. [00:18:22] Speaker A: There's, uh, there's a. There's no. I don't know how to pronounce this. Is it Mike Mikhail Martin. [00:18:29] Speaker B: Michael Martin. Artisan Michael Martin. [00:18:32] Speaker A: How do you pronounce that? [00:18:33] Speaker B: It's a t. He's a tea shock. Yeah, t shock. [00:18:37] Speaker A: He's pledged to explore. Pledged. It's a very strong word, pledged. This is according to the Irish Times, which I occasionally dip into his pledge to explore ways in which the state. The state might now might buy the guitar, which, as you say, is estimated. I mean, they normally go over the estimate, don't they? Up to a million pounds. So he's going to spend public money on a guitar? I'm not sure. I'm not sure that's going to go down well, particularly. I mean, it's a nice idea, but, you know, a million quid on a guitar when, you know, there's potholes and, you know, beating up telephone boxes and stuff and. Yeah, you know, ice cream shops without any windows and everything and I'm just. It's an interesting one. We'll see how that plays out. [00:19:26] Speaker B: You, you. [00:19:27] Speaker A: I guess I'm not going to bid. You could have bid for any equipment, by the way, you know, like a pedal or a. Yeah. [00:19:34] Speaker B: It was. It was a bit like in the Bernie Marsden one, where I went in and I actually went in and bid for a bag of plectrums. [00:19:42] Speaker A: I did. You? I did. [00:19:44] Speaker B: I did. [00:19:45] Speaker A: Do you know what they went for? A bag of plastic picks. [00:19:48] Speaker B: I went. It was like. I think that. I think the. The opening bid on it was maybe 25, 30 quid, Matt. And I. I think. I think I ended up. I put an initial bid in of around 50 quid or 55 quid, etcetera. And then I watched it for a bit. I think. I'm not quite sure what I went. Went for like 90 quid or whatever, and I'm kind of going, okay, I like Bernie, but, you know, there's enough. I've got enough plectrums kicking around this flat without having paid 100 quid for. [00:20:18] Speaker A: That's the thing. What do you do with 100 other birdie picks? Just like, look at them. Put them in a glass case, I suppose, to your earlier point. Anyway, we digress. Another one of your favorites, not robbery Gallagher, but Glenn Hughes, the self proclaimed voice of rock, who is 73, I think he is now. He has said that he's gonna. He's not gonna carry on beyond 80, which, you know, is fair enough, I suppose. You know, 80 is very old to be still kind of treading the boards when you can, you have the wherewithal to retire. But he's still busy, of course. We covered BCC's latest album, five or v. We haven't decided yet which it was, but that'd be a shame, wouldn't it, when Glenn Hughes hangs up his fender precision base. Don't you think, Brian? [00:21:13] Speaker B: Yeah, it's Glenn's just. He's a force in nature. [00:21:19] Speaker A: His teeth are. Anyway. His teeth are the whitest teeth I've ever seen. Unbelievable. We saw them at. Saw them. Saw him. Them. His teeth. Saw him. We saw him at. Was it rabbit man a few years ago in Maidstone? [00:21:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:37] Speaker A: Yeah. Jeez. I think. Was it BCC or was it just him? But either way, his teeth. Yeah, I think you can see them from space, they're so bright. Sorry, you were saying? Were you saying. I don't know. I got into his teeth. [00:21:50] Speaker B: So you got into his teeth? Yeah. Glenn. Glenn. Yeah, it's good that it would be. Glenn's really looked after his voice since he's. Since he's got healthy. If you read Glenn's. Glenn's autobiography, he went through the mill in the eighties, came out of it well in the nineties. And he just has. He's preserved himself so well and in some ways, Matt, I'm kind of going. It would be nice if Glenn can go out with his voice intact, because there's nothing worse than then being the self proclaimed voice of rock. And then people start going, you're not the voice of rock, or you're no longer the voice of rock. So I think Glenn will pitch it just right to go. Do you know what? I'm going to duck out. Think of Paul Rogers. Paul Rogers doesn't play that much live anymore. He did an album a couple of years ago, which was okay. But anytime that he's guested, if he's got up on stage, maybe with Joe Bonamassa, he's sung, he's done maybe a couple of tunes, he still got it, but he probably doesn't want to do an extensive tour. So, you know, I wish. Well, I wish, Glenn, well, I hope black country communion tour. I hope we get. Wouldn't it be fabulous for, you know, either steelhouse or stone dead or made of stone, of Glenn of Black county communion could come and headline next year. That'd be a nice swan song, wouldn't it? [00:23:20] Speaker A: It'll be great. Be great if they'd have to be special guests to slay her at Stone dead. Of course, we're lobbying for them to reform and. [00:23:28] Speaker B: Exactly. Exactly. [00:23:31] Speaker A: What's it called? Stone dead, brother. Right. [00:23:35] Speaker B: So somebody who knows somebody else, who has preserved their voice amazingly over the last many, many years. And we've been lucky enough to see. We've seen two thirds. Well, we've seen chicken foot, so Sammy hay. Yeah, we saw chicken foot a couple of times. So Sammy Hagar kicked off earlier this month, the best of all worlds tour in America, which was 21 songs packed with Van Halen classics. Matt. So he's assembled the band. So Sami's band, which is called the Circle, Sammy Hager and the Circle, Jason Bonham's drumming in it, and Michael Anthony of Van Halen is in the band. But the guitar player that they've got is Joe Satriani. And a few months ago, when they. When they got together to talk about this project, Joel came in for a lot of stick on the Howard Stern show because it didn't sound like. Like Eddie. It sounded so much more, you know, it just didn't. Wasn't gelling yet. And all of the YouTube videos and all of the. Just of all of the. Just in terms of how the shows come together, they've got a guy called Ray on keyboards and vocals who's brilliant. [00:25:00] Speaker A: I. [00:25:01] Speaker B: You know, Sammy Hagar's in his mid 70. I think Sammy Hagar is probably older than Glenn Hughes. I think he's maybe 75. 76. But Sammy is just sounding amazing. He's doing mainly Van Halen or Van Hagar material. He has chucked in a few David Lee Roth tunes and then Joe's getting a little showcase with Satch Boogie as one of her solo tunes. But I am. I am hoping that, that we get to see Sam, that Sammy can maybe come across to the UK 2025. That that would be amazing. And again, somebody whose voice is sounding really, really well, put the work in, looking well and. Yeah, that would be nice. [00:25:53] Speaker A: Yeah, it would be. It would be amazing. Yeah. 76. Sammy Hagar still going strong. His voice sounds good. I don't know who this Ray is you're talking about, but I've been intrigued to see who he is. [00:26:09] Speaker B: He's australian. Yeah, he's an Australian. I think he. I'm not quite sure what the connection is, Ray, but he's. He's got a. Ray's got a brilliant surname, Ray Thistlesweet. [00:26:23] Speaker A: I like that. That's a great name. Very rock and roll, isn't it? [00:26:28] Speaker B: Isn't it? [00:26:29] Speaker A: Hello. [00:26:29] Speaker B: Yeah, here's Ray. This is weird. [00:26:32] Speaker A: And he's going to be reading goes by Ray. No wonder he just goes by Ray, I suppose. Well, we live in hope. Yes. That'd be great if they came over, maybe download or as you say, festival dates, who knows? I think the thing is that us, circuitous and we know this from the likes of Def Leppard and Judas Priest and many others, is very, very lucrative. And of course they, you know, they can sort of fly home almost, if they want to, after each gig, so. Well, maybe not, but you know what I mean? It's a big effort to get across the Atlantic and play the one day in London, of course, and then fly back again. So we shall see. But, yeah, we live in hope, as you say. Chicken foot came over a couple of times back in the early 2002 tens. What was 2011 and 13 or something. So, yeah, fingers crossed for that one. [00:27:28] Speaker B: So, Matt, we come to new rock on the block. [00:27:32] Speaker A: Hmm. [00:27:33] Speaker B: And we have. [00:27:34] Speaker A: Exciting. [00:27:35] Speaker B: We have, we have. We have a smorgasbord cornucopia. [00:27:42] Speaker A: Well. [00:27:46] Speaker B: Yeah, we've got three platters of rock goodies. [00:27:50] Speaker A: Have you had you. Have you had your dinner yet? Because you're talking about smalls, boards and plat. [00:27:53] Speaker B: I haven't, actually. I haven't. No, no. I need to get me tea. Yeah, we got three albums through you in this episode and we are going to kick off with a band who are currently in the UK. And you're going to see them very, very soon and you can talk about them in the next episode. So this band is currently on their, on the big finish, as they're calling it. This is Mister Big. And Mister Big have just released, I'm hoping it's their 10th album because they've called it ten. [00:28:23] Speaker A: Yeah, ten. I'm just counting them up. Ten. Studio album. Ten. I see. I have a problem with, I've said this many times in the context of extreme, who call their album, what was it? Six or seven or something? V or five. I mean, come on. Come on, lads. What do you call it? Like, I don't know, last farewell or something. I don't know, something. But ten. Yes. What did you think of it? [00:28:47] Speaker B: I, you know, me and I come. [00:28:51] Speaker A: I do. I do very well. 20 odd years. [00:28:54] Speaker B: 20 odd years. And you know how high regard I hold Mister big. [00:28:59] Speaker A: Mm hmm. [00:29:01] Speaker B: I. [00:29:04] Speaker A: Yes, I think I know where this is going. It's you. [00:29:07] Speaker B: Fair enough. Fair enough. You're reading the room and the tone of my, my voice. There were some songs on here, matthew, that were okay. I, where I think Mister Big, I just, the songs weren't good enough for me in terms of what I expect for. I have high expectations of Mister Big and I, and I just the, there wasn't enough good songs on this track for me. There was quite a lot of, it had a really seventies rock vibe to it. There was lots of, there's parts of it where I was thinking, this sounds like Robin Trier. It was very classic seventies rock. And then what were you thinking? There's a, you know, it's sounding like Garrori Gallagher. There's a Brian may sort of, there was, there was guitar sort of harmonization which was very Brian Maydeh. It just, it just didn't click for me. And I know Eric Martin. Eric Martin's an amazing vocal and they've actually been really smart and they've not, they've not pushed his voice in the mix or pushed him to sing higher. So it's quite a low register album, Matt. And I'm listening to it. It's Eric's voice, but it's low register. And to me it loses that emotion of, you know, when you think of Steve Perry and Lou Graham. One of the reasons why they emote so well is because they're screaming at the top of their lungs, pushing their voice out, screaming and crying. And for me, Eric's vocal delivery is just safe. And so I was left wanting, Matt, of this as an album. I. There's some, you know, I'll probably not. I'll probably not listen to it. I'll come back to it and I'll maybe give it another try. But in the first couple of lessons I was. I was disappointed. The musicianship's amazing. Paul Gilbert and Nick has sat in very well, you know, replacing the sadly departed Pat Torpy. And it still sounds like Mister Big. But it just didn't excite me, Matt, I'm sorry to say that, and I'm disappointed, I have to say that. But I. It was a little bit of a letdown to me. Where are you with that? [00:31:34] Speaker A: Well, I was slightly more upbeat about it, to be honest with you. I think it's Nick Duvaglio, by the way, who's the drummer that we. [00:31:44] Speaker B: I always struggle with pronouncing Nick's surname. [00:31:47] Speaker A: I'm not surprised. It's a tough, tough name. Nick v. Oh, Nick D. Nick Divergent. Anyway, I actually quite liked it. I. First couple of listens, I would have tended to agree with you, to have agreed with you. And he's singing within himself or they've kind of, as you say, kept things in a kind of lower register, lower range for him, which is, you know, fair enough if you're of an age where you're struggling to hit high notes. And we know that from many of singer, plenty of singers that we've talked about over the years. But I think as a grower, I would say, okay, yeah, yeah. I persevered with it and in the end I liked it. I liked most of the recent stuff from Mister Big 20. Seventeen's defying gravity was a really good album and I think this is in the same vein. There's no real whopping, standout songs. They're all pretty much kind of on a par with each other. I do like good luck trying, which is the sort of lead off song. It's the first song on the album and I am used pretty good. Sunday morning kind of go. It gives me the impression that he came up with the titles then kind of reversed into the lyric. But, you know, that's not. It's quite often. That's quite often the way. Of course, AC DC wrote their entire back in black album on the same basis, essentially. But no, I quite liked it. I think Paul Gilbert's playing was Paul Gilbert. The guitarist was quite understated. He goes. He shreds a little bit, but not, you know, he's nothing taking over the songs. Billy Gilbert was also a virtuoso but on the bass guitar, Billy Gilbert. Billy Sheehan, rather, is also virtuoso on the. On the bass guitar, but he didn't kind of overplay it particularly, I think was a. I think it's a good solid rock album. Quite contemporary. I felt it was quite contemporary in this field. Kind of typical late, early 2000, early two thousand twenty s. Mister big. Really. It's a far cry from, you know, the lean into it and, you know, the first few albums, of course, which. [00:33:55] Speaker B: I'm a big fan still. [00:33:56] Speaker A: Good luck. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. But they've changed with time and. Fair enough. And as you said, they're on their farewell tour. I'm not quite sure why they're calling it a day, but, you know, so be it. And I've seen them recently and I'm seeing them again very soon. So I, for one, I'm looking forward to seeing them. But, yeah, I'd give this album a good sort of six and a half, seven out of ten, nothing jumps. Jumps out at you. But, you know, it's certainly a grubber and a nice rounded, good album as far as I'm concerned. [00:34:29] Speaker B: Good, good. [00:34:31] Speaker A: Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, you're welcome. So that brings us to. What are we doing next? [00:34:35] Speaker B: We're going to do. We're going to do the end machine. [00:34:39] Speaker A: The end machine. [00:34:41] Speaker B: You can only say that one way, can't you? You're not going to go and machine, it's the end machine. [00:34:49] Speaker A: The quantum phase. Now, I'm no sort of, you know, soft, fluffy prog person. I do like, you know, meat and potatoes rock. And this is what this is. It's quite old school. I loved it. I loved it. I'm gonna say right now, I absolutely love this albumen. It's. It's got some very dark kind of tones to it, very, very dark themes to it. Just the art, just the song titles. Black hole, extinction. [00:35:20] Speaker B: I know, extinction. [00:35:21] Speaker A: Extension, extinction. I can't even say it. Extinction. Silent winter, pillar of the night, burning and so on. Burning man, killer of the night. But it's exactly. It's. But it's good. It's. It's. It's got some quietenhouse interesting work from George lynch, who's a magnificent guitarist throughout this. I mean, it's. It's not sort of cliched stuff. Well, it is cliched up to a point because it's, you know, it's classic kind of four piece, sort of, you know, classic rock, as it were. But he's. He's come up with some interesting riffs, solos and so on. First, let me know what the first song reminds you of, by the way. I thought it was a bit am I evil when it started, by the way, that kind of. [00:36:04] Speaker B: Here we go. [00:36:04] Speaker A: Chugging, sort of. Yeah. I thought it was really good. Yeah, indeed. This is a frontiers piece of work, isn't it? It's a frontiers album. [00:36:18] Speaker B: It certainly is, yes. [00:36:20] Speaker A: Mister Big's album is too, isn't it? But yeah, I think they sound good. I loved it. I loved it. It's a classic rock album. It ticks all the boxes as far as I'm concerned. It's got a mixture of chugging guitars and harmonized vocals, as far as I'm concerned. It's great. And it's rounded off by the fact that the singer Girish Pradhan, who we talked about. [00:36:50] Speaker B: We love Girish. [00:36:51] Speaker A: Brilliant singer. It's a brilliant acquisition for them. It does remind me of the old days when you would see singers and guitars kind of transfer between bands. Hopefully Girish and the Chronicles are still going. We reviewed one of their albums. Was it last year? Year before their most recent album. Yeah, he's a great singer, Girish. And I think this is a great album. I think this is one of my favorite albums of the year so far. Over to you, Brian, for magnificent new album. [00:37:22] Speaker B: Do you know what? I can't disagree with you there, Matt. I loved the first two end Machine albums and the first two end Machine albums were very much. It effectively was classic docking lineup. So you had George, Jeff Pilsen and Mick Brown. And the singer was Robert Mason, who I love. And that first end machine album was just stupendous. I loved it. And then when Robert left or parted ways, because I think he sings in warrant as well. So whenever Robert stepped away and they got garish and I thought, what's the sound of the band going to change? And I think musically it sounds darker, heavier, but garrish just enhances it with his vocal. You know, Dino Jalisic is one of those vocalists that we. That we were screaming about three or four years ago with all of the YouTube stuff. And Girish is kind of. He's the next guy. And the fact that both George. George just has a good way of picking vocalist because he's worked with Dino and he's now working with Girish. So it's. Yeah. And George lynch, as you say, he just doesn't get enough credit for the. For the guitarist, for the interesting guitar that he plays, you know, you know. Fabulous. Yeah, he just is fabulous. And some of this soloing that he's. That he's done. [00:39:00] Speaker A: God, amazing. [00:39:01] Speaker B: It is. He's just. He's got such a unique tone. Quantum phase. Yeah. Strong, um, on the first couple of listens. Strong. Eight. Eight and a half out of ten for me. [00:39:15] Speaker A: Yep, yep. Same here, same here. [00:39:17] Speaker B: Fabulous. [00:39:19] Speaker A: So that brings us to finally the new album by Canada's finest, the commoners. This album is called restless, and, um, I like the commoners. I've seen them, actually. Nice guys. I met them, um, Tommy darling, Brighton. Nice, down to earth guys. Very talented guys from just outside of Toronto in Canada. One of my favorite parts of the world. I've only been there once, but it's still pretty good. And. Yeah. What do you think of it, Briar, you go first on this one. [00:39:58] Speaker B: The lead off track on this. Yeah, the lead off track on this album, Devil teasing me, is just fantastic. When we were talking in previous shows about the southern rock feel to some bands at the moment, the commoners have got that swagger. They have that, and I love the quote, which is, this is from their social media, where they say. [00:40:33] Speaker A: It'S a. [00:40:34] Speaker B: Sound tapped from the oaken belly of a whiskey barrel. It's just got that swagger, southern rock. So the opening track sets it up well. Shake you off. I can't help thinking about Taylor Swift when I hear that song title, but thankfully, shake you off is a good rock and tune. It's just such a strong. A strong album singer, fantastic vocalist. And I do like whenever you've got that southern rock, Rolling Stones kind of vibe to a band, it's so lovely when you've got a piano in the mix as well, too. So, yeah, the first four tracks off the album, even the title track itself, matt Restless, it's just such a good, consistent album. You get through to that, you know, it's a 1010 track album. You get through to too soon to know you. All that we have, they're all strong, strong tracks. So I was really, really surprised with the strength of this album. I know, I know you've seen them and you're a big fan of them. I kind of came to it with just like, I'll give it a listen and just listen to and just see, get a feel for it. I thought was fantastic. Really, really mature piece of work. [00:41:56] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree. Yeah. It is a great album. It's one of my favorite albums of the year so far. It's, as you say, it's. I think it benefits from the Hammond organ and the backing vocals. Very much in the vein of Black Crows, I would suggest, and they are. They seem to influence everyone. The Black Rose, certainly this new kind of these new up and coming bands like the Karma effect and these Wicked Rivers and Dirty Honey and Rob John the wreck and so on, they seem to all kind of have their starting point. They pivot around the Black Crows, who are, of course, an amazing band in their own right. Yeah, I mean, I think you've covered it, really. I think restless. Restless, the title track is one of my favorite songs of the year, is an absolute Luke modern classic. The song Restless, which is, as I say, the title track of the album, I would urge everyone to go and go and listen to or go and see the commoners. They're out in the UK at the moment playing a couple of festivals, and I shall see them again at those festivals. And. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Would you call them Americana or North Americana or Canadorama? [00:43:13] Speaker B: Canuck rock? [00:43:16] Speaker A: Yes, that would do us. But, yeah, great, great album. And I think you said it already, it's great songs, great playing, magnificent singer, nice guys. I say the top lads when you meet them, really kind of modest down to a. And I think that on the strength this album, they're destined for big things. At least I hope so. [00:43:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:43:38] Speaker A: So, yeah, check out the album restless by the commonest. [00:43:45] Speaker B: Ultimately, we kick off with the. [00:43:49] Speaker A: Ultimately. I see what we did there. Ultimately. [00:43:52] Speaker B: Ultimately, let us unmask. So we will kick off the use with, to me, the biggest musical export out of Ireland ever, which is you two. U two just go from strength to strength. You know, when you. When you look at. When you look at any band that can make Joshua Tree, you know, Joshua Tree to me is. And then follow that up with an album which is actually better than Joshua Tree, in my opinion, an acting baby. You two are just for me, you've got to start with. With them. Matt, I've been fortunate that I've seen you two a few times. And I remember when Q magazine. Do you remember the sadly. The sadly missed Q magazine. I remember they did an article once of the top ten tours that we all should have gone to, and I went to only one show of the top ten, and that was you two's zoo Ropa tour, which was supporting acting, baby. So, yeah, gotta start with. We gotta start with you two. Matt, where are you? On YouTube. [00:45:10] Speaker A: Well, I would agree about the Joshua Tree. I mean, one of my favorite albums, just. Just almost perfection. No, no. Weak songs on the album spawned loads of. Loads of singles, of course, with them without you and where the streets have no name and so on. Yeah, I've seen him a few times as well. I saw that Joshua Tree tour back in 1987. It was the weekend between my. I went to university. Not many people give me credit for that. I actually went to. I went to athe poly, which became University of Hertfordshire. I went. Went to see the Joshua Tree tour at Wembley Stadium the middle weekend of my finals. So obviously, I had my priorities right. Everyone else was revising and I was partying at Wembley Stadium. But, yeah, magnificent bands. Same four members, of course, has kicked off in 1976, coming up to their 50th anniversary. Can't believe it. 50 years of u two, almost. Yeah, fantastic. Fantastic. I haven't bought an album of theirs for a while, actually, but we'll probably revisit the Joshua tree on the strength of this discussion. [00:46:20] Speaker B: Let's go up above the border, then. [00:46:22] Speaker A: Yes, yes, let's. [00:46:25] Speaker B: And go to the undertones. Matthew, who for many, and John Peel in particular, thought that the teenage kicks was the ultimate pop single. And you and me have played in cover bands for more years than we can mention. And I have to say what I started playing, playing in any of the bands when I was starting to play guitar at 16. The one song that you played, it was teenage kicks. You write the passage when you started the band as you had to play teenage kicks. [00:47:00] Speaker A: Yeah. Great. It's an absolute classic, isn't it? It's a very simple song. Simple lyrics. Teenage, teenage dreams, so hard to beat, et cetera. One of my favorite songs of theirs is my perfect cousin. [00:47:12] Speaker B: It's fabulous. Yes. [00:47:13] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, very good. Um, still going strong. No Fergal sharky with him anymore. He's too busy, um, campaigning for, uh, cleaner. Cleaner rivers, uh, God bless him. But, um. Yeah, you can still see the, uh, undertones. I don't know where you'd see them, but probably on the nostalgia circuit. Formed in 1974. [00:47:31] Speaker B: You're kidding. [00:47:33] Speaker A: I can't believe that. Yeah, um, they. Yeah, they. Their purple patch was, uh, or late seventies. Into the early eighties. Yeah, still, as I say, still going strong. Which can't be said of another band that we've touched upon once or twice on the podcast. That band is UFO. We've discussed many times. I don't think we need to go there. But I'm not alone in thinking that strangers in the night from 1979 is the. Have I said this before? It seems to ring a bell that strangers in the night is the greatest live album ever, culled from many gigs on the obsession tour. 1978, just before Michael Schencke left. In fact, we were talking about thin Lizzie last time. And you said there were three phases. Thin Lizzie, before, during and after Gary Moore. Well, it's a bit like that with UFO, actually. Before. Before Michael Schenker joined in 1973, I think it was 17 at the time. Joined from the Scorpions. They were more of a space rock band. And Bernie Marsden, the aforementioned Bernie Marsden passed through their ranks briefly. He didn't enjoy his time with them. If you listen or read his autobiography, Michael Schenker joined. That was their purple patch. In the mid to late seventies albums like Faucet and Lights out and I, phenomenon and obsession and as I say, stranger of the night. And then he left. And, yeah, I mean, they were still very well respected in the early eighties with Paul Chapman on guitar, Tonka Chapman, and then over the recent years with Andy Parker, Phil Mogg and Vinnie Moore, Paul Raymond, the late, great Paul Raymond and. And kind of recapture some of the vibe of that seventies era. They did reform with Schenker in the early nineties. I missed out on that gig. My friend Kelvin is very happy to remind me that he saw that classic strangers in the night lineup and I didn't. Yeah. So that was you. That was UFO. Where'd you want to go next, Brian? [00:49:41] Speaker B: You know the way when you, when you look at the covers, covers of cds, those of us who still buy product, buy either vinyl or cds, you look at the back of. This would be great, wouldn't it, Matt? That'd be a good pub quiz. Question. Whose name is most if you were to look at the Encyclopedia of Music or which person's name has come up the most on the back of albums. So you would be probably the first ones you come to mind would be Bob. Clear Mountain. [00:50:13] Speaker A: Martin Birch. [00:50:14] Speaker B: Yes, Martin Birchen. Bob. Bob Ludwig. There was somebody mastered by Bob Ludwig. And somebody else who would have been up there as somebody who was name checked in the most albums is somebody called Mister Udo. [00:50:32] Speaker A: Ah, yes. [00:50:33] Speaker B: So, Mister Udo, if you look at any live album that's recorded in Japan now, a lot of, as you say, you know, Budokan, you know, we've talked about Mister Big. You talk about any of any of the world's greatest artists, pound to a penny, that the japanese concert promoter Mister Udo would have been involved in the promotion of those, of those shows he promoted. He was very, very close with the likes of David Bowie, Eric Clapton in particular. So there's one just a little bit left field. Matt. Mister Udo, I like it. [00:51:16] Speaker A: I like yes, indeed. Often mentioned, as you say, by many bands have toured Japan. I'm going to go in a similar vein, actually, to Udo. One of our listeners, Clyde. Hello. Clyde Hunt from Libardi. It's a coincidence, isn't it? Coincidence, isn't it? Bray. You're from. You're from Navarre, aren't you? Any relation? [00:51:39] Speaker B: No, no. [00:51:41] Speaker A: He mentioned Udo. Yes, fronted by Udo Dirkschneider. That that is. It feels so good to say that. Such a brilliant name. Udo Dirkschneider, who I first saw back in 1981 with accept. [00:51:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:54] Speaker A: And then he went on to form Udo or Udo. Must be Udo, I guess, had more members than I've had hot. Than I've had hot dinners. I'm counting them now. And there's loads of them. There must be 25 members they've had in Udo over the years. I don't know much about them. I might look into them. I remember he was one of those kind of diminutive, sort of powerhouse vocalist, bit like angry Anderson from Rose tattoo. But yes, thanks, Clyde, for mentioning Udo, fronted by the great Udo. Dirk Schneider. There you go. Angel Sana. What she got for a spry. [00:52:33] Speaker B: Luke Morley put a band together with Pete Shoulder, who is a singer from the north east of England. And that band was called the union. And I have to say I was lucky enough to see the union. Chris Chiles from Thunder, who's the, who played bass and thunder. And I was lucky enough to see the union supporting. Sorry, the union supported Whitesnake about 2010 on the back of their second album. But, you know, they released three albums. I would probably check out the. The self titled album the Union. And then actually the second album, Siren Songs in 2011 is fantastic. So, you know, a great project, as they called, you know, things these days, you know, and Thunder obviously got back together, which is great for Thunder fans. But I have to say I had hoped that the union might have stuck together and we might have seen it more because the three albums that look put together with Pete shoulder. And Pete shoulder is an amazing vocalist. Really? Really. Yeah. He's in that class. He is in that. Paul Rogers, you know, that lovely, just slightly raspy, great singer. I thought, you know, brilliant. So the union is somebody, a band I would put forward and put something on the playlist. [00:53:57] Speaker A: Matt, good shout. And good shout about Pete shoulder, who did actually join Thunder very briefly when Ben Matthews was having treatment for cancer about ten, 1112 years ago. Be a brilliant musician, guitarist, keyboards and. Yeah, good band. We saw them I saw them with Lizzie. I saw them with wise thing on that tour as well. And they also played at the first high voltage festival, I think. Or maybe the second one. Do you remember? I don't remember them there particularly, but I don't remember. Maybe I was having a. Having a sit down somewhere. But anyway. Yes, the union. Good shout. In the interest of time, we must mention you. Briar heap, of course, a british institution. Yes, still going strong. Doing the round. Still. And saw them recently with Judas Priest and Saxon. And fronted now by Bernie Shaw, the latest in the long line of singers. Still with Mick box guitar. They've been going since the late sixties, I think. Uriah heap in some way, shape or form. So shout out to Uriah heap. Ugly kid, Joe theological. Remember them? From the early nineties. They were on the soundtrack, I think, to the first. Wayne's world. [00:55:16] Speaker B: I think you're right. [00:55:16] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:55:19] Speaker B: Everything about you. [00:55:21] Speaker A: Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Classic, classic. Kind of fun. Listen to the lyrics. It's a fun rock song. I'm seeing them soon. I don't know where. I forget where I'm seeing them, but I think they're on Steelhouse. Full review coming up. Notable other mentions we should mention the likes of the unforgettable Fire album from you two. Yeah, mentioned that. Mentioned them earlier under pressure by Queen and David Bowie. Remember that song, Brian? [00:55:57] Speaker B: I do indeed. A bit of an accident where Queen, just Queen and David Bowie just happened to be in the same studio. I think it might have been. They were in Montreal and David and Freddie got very, very competitive about the lyrics and, yeah, they wrote the song very collaboratively. And then I think Bowie changed a few things and Freddie was like up on his game. So it was a very, very, very charged recording environment when you speak to Brian, particularly Brian May and Roger Taylor about it. And over the years, I know recently that Brian May has kind of come out and said, you know, I would have preferred it if it had been a bit more rocked up. [00:56:43] Speaker A: Yeah, indeed. A couple of albums to mention. Under wraps by Jethro Tull from 1984. I think I saw them on that tour. First time I saw tull. The second greatest live album ever, also from 1979. Unleashed in the east by the mighty Judas Priestley. What a great album. Magnificent stuff. A couple of old songs. Old but classic. Under my thumb by the Stones, up around the bend by credence Clearwater revival, also covered by Thunder. And also, I think, when they played with Pete shoulder on an album called Live at the Brooklyn Bowl. I think it's called from memory. You wanted to mention under the bridge. Of course, that took the classics. I mean, wow. Under the bridge by the Red Hot Chili Peppers. [00:57:31] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:57:32] Speaker A: What a song. [00:57:32] Speaker B: Yeah. A few notable mentions from me. I'm going to give a shout out to Utopia. So Utopia are an american rock band. They're a band, but fundamentally, it's Todd Rundgren's utopia. And we've talked about Todd Rundgren as a producer of bad out of hell and what he's done. But they had a, you know, they had a top 40 hit single with set me free in 1980, and Kazim Sultan, who's the bass player, amazing bass player. He's played with everybody. He and the latter, meatloaf band. Kazim was the musical director for Meat Loaf, so Utopia were just. Yeah, amazing band. And Todd Runger's just a genius. Also shout out for Van Halen's unchained with good old. I think it was Ted Templeman, you know, give us a break, Dave. And one break coming right up. It's just off the cuff things, which are now classic. And the final one for me, Matt on the use would be probably one of the most talked about. It would have been brilliant to have had MTV in the early eighties in America, Matt, whenever everybody sat down at that time, 08:00 whenever it was, and you had the unmasking of kiss. Oh, yeah, there was a whole MTV special. And they had, you know, they were all sitting there and they were, you know, with, with his purr, you know, sort of like a, you know, here, here was Gene Simmons with his, with his makeup on, and then they sort of, like, moved it to what Gene would look like. And I think everybody was like, wow. At the time. But then when you watch it on YouTube, you know, 40 years later, you go, really? [00:59:38] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. It's a little bit hard to watch, isn't it? Yes, I remember that very well, actually. Yes, it was quite something in the pages of Kerrang back in the day. Kiss had taken their makeup off because for years, and this is, this is covered in Paul Stanley's autobiography we talked about for years because they wouldn't allow themselves to be photographed or. Yeah, generally seen in public without it. Good stuff. That was the letter u. Next time, V. What will we, what will we talk about then, Brian? I wonder. [01:00:10] Speaker B: For now, Vandegraaff generator. [01:00:13] Speaker A: Indeed. Yes, indeed. More of that next time. So, Brian, that brings us to everyone's favorite part of the podcast. Of course, we've said that many times. [01:00:24] Speaker B: Hidden Ginger. [01:00:28] Speaker A: Thank you, Lola. Sounding great as always. So what you got for us, Bright? [01:00:33] Speaker B: I have a. An epic, grandiose album for this episode. Matt, I have swallowed a thesaurus for this episode. I am going to go with the last album. This is from a danish band. The band are called Boys from Heaven. They're a progressive sort of pop rock band based from Denmark and seven piece Bandaid. And when I first listened to their third album. So the. The album I'm recommending as the hidden Gem is their 2023 album called the Descendant. It just sounds like modern day Toto. It's got that real eighties feel to it. And just the. The polish of the production, which I. Which I'm a sucker for. A track to put on the playlist as well, too, is last time. That's my favorite. That's my favorite track in the album. So my hidden gem for this episode is Boys from Heaven and the album is called the Descendant. What about you? [01:01:43] Speaker A: Very good. Very good. Well, I mentioned Jethro Tull earlier, and I've been through a Jethro Tull phase recently and I would like to call out for my hidden gem another live album. Actually. I've got a thing about live albums. Always have. I always have had. And this is a recent reissue of the 1978 live bursting out by Jethro Tull, which was recorded in Montreux in Switzerland with introduction by Claude knobs, or Funky Claude, as he was known as in smoke on the water. Yeah, I love this albumen. I mean, it's Jethro Tull at their finest. And they were huge in America. Well, this is, as they faded, recorded in Montreux, but the accompanying cd is also live in Madison Square Garden and the audience just going crazy for a band fronted by a bearded bloke standing on one leg, one leg playing the flute. But the songs are quintessentially english and I think that obviously went across very well in the. In the mid seventies in the US. So, yeah, my hidden gem, not so hidden, is live bursting out by Jethro Tull. There you go. And that was it. Another one done. Another one bites dust. But we weren't under pressure, were we, Brian? [01:03:12] Speaker B: No, not at all. Not at all. [01:03:15] Speaker A: Never. Never under pressure. It's been pleasure, though. It's been great. Episode 68, do you enjoy that? [01:03:21] Speaker B: I did indeed. And did it. We had a nice. I feel they had a nice irish theme that was running through the whole show, which was lovely. [01:03:31] Speaker A: Yeah, I enjoy that because I am 160 4th Irish, as you very well know. So, yeah, I appreciate that as a as almost a countryman of yours. So we will see everyone. Next time, please subscribe on YouTube. We're also on Spotify Apple podcasts. We are, of course, every third Tuesday on Scotland Rocks radio. So thanks for having us on there, guys. Brian, you want to say hello to your mum? Want to shout out to Clyde Hunt again from Lombardi? Everyone in Lemmevardia knows you, I suppose, don't you? [01:04:03] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [01:04:03] Speaker A: Right, thanks for listening, everyone. [01:04:05] Speaker B: All right, take care. [01:04:13] Speaker A: We salute you as a made in Rogers production.