For Those About to Pod, We Salute You - Episode 54

[00:00:24] Speaker A: Well, hello there and welcome to episode 54 of the rock podcast. For those about pod, we salute you. In this episode, we've reached j in the eighties, out of rock. There's rock news, there's new rock in the block, there's hidden gems and who knows what else. So without further ado, in a soggy Scotland, here's Brian. [00:00:50] Speaker B: Hey, Matt, how you doing? [00:00:53] Speaker A: I'm doing. I'm doing okay, thank you. How are you? [00:00:56] Speaker B: I'm all right. I'm all right. The sun is shining here. But you're absolutely right. It is very, very soggy and wet in Scotland. But thankfully in Edinburgh, we're not getting as hit as some of the other parts of the country. [00:01:08] Speaker A: Yeah, well, I'm glad to hear it. I'm glad to hear it. So, rock news, it's been an interesting few weeks since we last spoke. There has been the inaugural power trip festival in California. Well, you and I didn't go. We weren't invited, nor could we afford to go, of course. We couldn't find enough money down the side of the sofa. Friend of ours, Alan child went. Really enjoyed it. Had a great time. [00:01:36] Speaker B: He did. [00:01:38] Speaker A: It looked fantastic, though. AC DC, their 1st. 1st gig with Brian Johnson in many years. And what a set. They put together 20 some odd songs. [00:01:50] Speaker B: 24 songs. [00:01:51] Speaker A: Yeah, 24. Okay. I'm glad someone's paid attention. Songs from, you know, different eras, starting with if you want blood, you got it. And, you know, some of the old favorites, of course, but slipped in. Stiff upper lip and songs off the recent albums demon Fire, shot in the dark and so on. They look good. Look good. I was quite envious, weren't you? [00:02:15] Speaker B: I was. And Alan didn't mention anything at all about going to paratrip. And you get a nice. You get this little message of a video of AC DC and you're going. You're at Puerto Rip. [00:02:28] Speaker A: Yeah. He told me it's still house bright, but you were probably having one of your many siestas. [00:02:33] Speaker B: I was. I was napping. He's napping. [00:02:36] Speaker A: Yeah. You've been up about 20 minutes. He went back to sleep, but yeah, he went. He went all that way to California and he was miles back, but he said he had a good time. It looked good. As well as AC DC, who, even though they sounded okay, I think there were one or two kind of, you know, let's. Let's forgive them because it's the first gig with Brian Johnson for several years. Obviously, as we know, Axel filled him. Axl Rose filled him on previous UK tour back in. I think 20, 1917. I don't know. So John O hasn't sung with him for a few years. So I think in one or two places, he did sound a bit like he, you know, a bit ring rusty, as it were. But you can forgive that, can't you guys? 76 years old. [00:03:18] Speaker B: You can indeed. You can indeed. And everybody's now clambering around social media going, right, your first show in seven years. When can we have a year long world tour, everybody? Yeah, yeah. [00:03:31] Speaker A: Well, I said it before, I think there'll be some. I think there's some scope for some big festivals. Let's talk about rock in Rio. [00:03:38] Speaker B: Yeah, I think Glastonbury might be an option for them. [00:03:42] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. I mean, maybe. And, you know, the Hyde park thing is, we touched upon that. Within the context, I think, of maybe the stones, AC DC would be good there, download and so on. So, you know, don't give a. Don't give up hope listeners. You might. You might see them probably for the final time. I mean, come on. I mean, give them a break, you know, Angus is 67, Brian's 76. The rest of the band are kind of, you know, around that. Around that mark. They're not getting any younger, etc. Etc. So we shall see. What I did. Like, there's some footage that's been on online of the Metallica guys, James Hetfield and Kirk Hammett in. Down the front, as it were. Not in the mosh, but certainly kind of, you know, close to this nation. Rocking out to Judas Priest. [00:04:30] Speaker B: Yes, very kind of. [00:04:32] Speaker A: You know, we all know Metallica are huge, and in some respects, bigger than priests, let's say. Well, let's say they are bigger than priests in terms of record sales and so on. But, you know, clearly they were fans. Cause they're, you know, they're. They grew up, like us, with priest, and we'll come on to Judas Priest later in the context of the letter J. But that was great to see, wasn't it? You know, kind of rocking out like, you know, good old rock fans that we all are. [00:04:55] Speaker B: And everybody played nice in the sense of, you know, you had, you know, guns n Roses and Iron Maiden on the same bill together for the first time. And since 1988, you know, AC DC and the priest, Metallica, obviously, the band that seems to have been completely forgotten out of the six headliners is tool. It's as if tool. Yeah, so much so was the. Was the greatness. And I think more or less the relief of saying AC DC when Aussie pulled out and you're going okay. There was a little part of me, Matt, that was going, would AC DC make it, you know, nothing. No sneaked rehearsals, no nothing. And then they did it. So, yeah, it was great. And it was, as you say, to see bands, I think Metallica, where we're out watching AC DC, the priest. And even you see some of the photographs where members of the band are hanging with the guys from Iron Maiden as well, too. So a trip of a lifetime for Alan and everybody that's been there. But, yeah, I think you have to sell your house, don't you, to get tickets, whatever. [00:06:19] Speaker A: Yeah, it's very expensive. Maybe we'll start saving up for next year. Brian and somebody else who'll be on the bill. [00:06:25] Speaker B: Yeah. So somebody else who we thought did their farewell tour last year and he was done and dusted was. Sir David of Coverdale has been in the news, Matt, hasn't he? With talks of when he gets better, he might get back out to do some live shows. But I think what got our interest this week was David's planning to do a farewell album and invite many of his whitesnake alumni to participate in this album. [00:07:04] Speaker A: That's right. Alumnus. I think he referred to the master, I'm not sure is the correct grammar. But anyway, we'll forgive him. Yeah. He just won't. He won't give up. He said that he had. Had. I don't know how debilitating this is, but clearly it was for him. He'd given up the tour, abandoned the tour in 2022. I was lucky. I think you saw some of the UK dates with Foreigner. He had an infection of the sinus and the trachea, darling, which I guess when you're a singer, that can be quite debilitating. But as a result. What is it? What he calls this persistent upper respiratory infection. [00:07:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:49] Speaker A: Aka a bad chest. Anyway, you're right, he's looking to get some. Not all of the alumnus back together, as he said. I've got Joel coming in soon. Joel looks flying into some incendiary guitar. He's got some of his old favorites. Doug Aldrich, who he adores. I adore Doug Aldrich. Michael Devin, who he also adores. He adores a lot of people. If you follow him on X, formerly known as Twitter. He's very loving. He's very loving. Sends blessings to all his fans. He's always on Twitter. He's very rude on Twitter, mind you, I keep saying Twitter's called x now, isn't it? Of course, yeah. He's got Adrian Vandenberg's on board. Doug Aldrich, Michael Devon, as I mentioned. Tanya O'Callaghan. Of course, he adores. Yes, he made more of the fact she's beautiful and gorgeous and she's a good bass player. But, you know, again, it's Coverdale. She can kind of forgive him for that. No mention, however, of messrs. Moody or Sykes or Murray or, you know, anyone else you care to have mentioned that is still with us and has been in white snake. No. Rudy Sarso or Sir Vivian of Campbell, you know, and so on. Steve Vive even doesn't get a look at. I imagine Steve Vaive's on the list because they're still kind of pally, aren't they? Yeah, but we shall see. That'd be fun, won't it? [00:09:10] Speaker B: Yeah, maybe. Maybe. [00:09:11] Speaker A: You like white snake, don't you? [00:09:12] Speaker B: I love white snake. Me, get Dino. Dino can sing the lead vocals. David, you know, get Daniel Jalisic to sing the lead vocals. And. And David could just stand in a nice, nice black suit with a bowtie and can be a conducts conductor of the snake orchestra. [00:09:30] Speaker A: It's not a bad idea, actually. I can just picture him side of the stage, velvet jacket, cravat maybe, you know, drinking a glass of brandy, darling, and just, you know, just leaning and, you know, just smoking a fake cigarette on a long cigarette holder. You get a picture and he's cold his hair off. Now he's going to have to grow that for a tore, isn't he? Come on. [00:09:53] Speaker B: Very much. [00:09:54] Speaker A: Keep the hair going. [00:09:55] Speaker B: Well, he can borrow. Maybe some of Glenn uses hair because Glenn seems to have. He now has a wonderful mane. [00:10:04] Speaker A: He's got gravity, divine hair, hasn't he? Let's face it, he has. So, yeah, more to come on the white snake sort of farewell album. And who knows, it might feature one or two of the old alumnus that we haven't yet mentioned. You never know. Recall we talked about at length about the Black Sabbath ballet and a friend of ours, Matt Graydon. Hello, Matt. He listens occasionally. Not very often. No, he does list occasionally. No. Do you mean no, no, he just doesn't listen or no, he. No, you agree? [00:10:42] Speaker B: No, I agree. [00:10:43] Speaker A: No, he doesn't. No, I agree. Anyway, he sent us a nice little review. He's a writer. Our friend Matt. I'll read you a bit of it. He says the ballet was split into three parts with bar busy intervals in between, as you might expect. Because as we mentioned last time, 60% of the audience never been to a ballet before. So they're the boozers bar in between the, you know, rubbing shoulders with all the usual ballet fans. Part one was a little surreal about the Sabbath phenomena, but I was enthralled from the minute it began, which is nice. I didn't realize it was going to be like the story of Black Sabbath. No, it's about the phenomena, the parts. The part. First part. Part two was all about the band, with anecdotes from the voices of the band, including yours truly, saudi army, and Sharon, of course. A bit too much Sharon, he mentions part three was about the fans and brought the show to an epic finale. Music arrangements for the Sabbath songs, paranoid, iron man, war Pigs, Black Sabbath, solitude, orchid, lunar sunrise, and Sabbath Bloody Sabbath were great. And the floating spirit guitarist made a great job of Tony Iobi's riffs. Riffs. Simple. Stage was Sabbath themed, and there was an upturned silver car with a Sabbath devil figure atop it. He uses the word atop, which I think is nice. Took center stage. Anyway. All in all, he really enjoyed it. So thanks for that, Matt. I think that's the first review we've ever had by guest reviewer. Guest review? Yes. Keep them coming, boys and girls. If you go to any gigs or ballets or anything, maybe what we should. [00:12:27] Speaker B: Do is we should give Matt, uh, a reviewer's mug. [00:12:34] Speaker A: We should. Yeah, yeah, I think. I think I'll do that next time I see him. [00:12:38] Speaker B: Yeah, we'll do that. [00:12:39] Speaker A: Yes. He deserves it. He does. And he went with his. He went with his daughter. I think if we got two kicking around, I'll give them both a mug. So thank you, guys, and I'm glad you enjoyed it. [00:12:49] Speaker B: Congratulations to young Wolfgang van heel. And Matthew, married in October to his lovely fiance. Went down the aisle to 316, which is one of Eddie van Halen's instrumental pieces that he used to play as part of his solo piece, which he recorded. I didn't know that it was called 316 because of Wolfie being born on the 16th. On the 3 march. Was it? Or 16 March? [00:13:22] Speaker A: Yeah, 16 March. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a lovely touch, actually. [00:13:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:13:26] Speaker A: His mum, Valerie Bertinelli, Wolfgang's mum. We love Wolfgang on this podcast. Of course, his mum walked him down the aisle, which is very sweet. And his, well, his now wife Andrea was accompanied by her dad to Dean Martin's everybody loves somebody that's got on the playlist. Brian, I don't think we've ever. I don't think we've ever had Dean Martin on the. [00:13:52] Speaker B: No, no. [00:13:52] Speaker A: But that's going on. [00:13:53] Speaker B: It's sanctioned. [00:13:58] Speaker A: Oh, good. That's that means you're going to let it on, by the way. Yeah, that was sweet. So he had, as you said, that song had my father. The song had been written by his father for him and it was a nice way to include his dad, which I think is lovely. [00:14:13] Speaker B: Yes. [00:14:13] Speaker A: So good on you, Wolfgang, and good luck, Andrea. A long and happy marriage together. God bless you. [00:14:19] Speaker B: And we'll see. We shall see Wolfie next year because he will be supporting for all of the time. Van heel and didn't come to the UK. Wolfgang's making up for it because he's back next year. Slash, Miles Kennedy and the conspirators need to come up with a shorter name for Slash's band. Wolfie will be back with Mammoth and the boys supporting Slash next year on. And I'll be there in Glasgow watching my game. [00:14:48] Speaker A: Me too. Yeah. I'll be in London kicking ass. You will be. Yeah. I can imagine. I know what you're like at Giggs. Jeez, there's no ass left unkicked when you go to Giggs, Brian, you get something. A bit of trouble there. Not careful. Yes. Good on you, Wolfgang. We look forward to seeing you next year. [00:15:06] Speaker B: And finally, what would have happened in the late eighties if Ozzy Osborne had put together a live band for Rick Astley? Yeah, yeah, I was reading a thought. Yeah, I was reading. I was reading. Rick Astley's great. He's. Whenever you. Obviously, he's big, big pals with Dave Grohl, the mashup of teen spirit and never going to give you up is just. It's YouTube golden. And when he plays and when he plays with his solo band, Rick's a really good drummer as well, too. So I think he was on Glastonbury this year where he's playing drums and singing along to highway to hell. And I think it was in the late eighties when Rick was obviously as part of the Pete Waterman empire and never going to give you up. His big first single blew up all over the world. He went to America and he met Ozzy and Sharon and Ozzy had said to him, if you ever want to get a live band together, I know all of the best players. So Ozzy offered to put a live band together for Rick Astley. And you know the way you've got visions of Robert Trujillo, Zach wild. [00:16:34] Speaker A: Yes. Imagine that. [00:16:36] Speaker B: Oh, my goodness. [00:16:37] Speaker A: Of course. Tommy Aldridge on dragons. [00:16:39] Speaker B: Absolutely. It'd be fabulous. [00:16:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:16:41] Speaker B: My goodness. [00:16:42] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, the mind boggles. Yeah. Sliding doors and all that. You never know how that might have played out. [00:16:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:49] Speaker A: But, yeah, he's become a national treasure, Rick Ashley. I mean, obviously he's not really kind of those about the pub. We salute you fodder, as it were. But he's in this country and I think, globally, he's loved because that song. Yeah, and he's, you know, good on you, because he, as you say, does sort of span the, sort of genres, does he, with his. With his rock collaborations. Yeah, as it were. But, yeah, that. That's an interesting. There you go concept, isn't it? Uh, God knows what it would have been called, Rick Sabbath, but, uh, yeah, actually got it right there. Brilliant, Brian. Right. Oh, love it. Right, that brings us to you, rock on the block. Oh, it's got some interesting ones this week, haven't we? [00:17:35] Speaker B: We have indeed. [00:17:37] Speaker A: So where should we start, Brian? [00:17:38] Speaker B: I think we start with. Let's start with new music from a band that you like, that we've seen. [00:17:45] Speaker A: Yes, yes. [00:17:47] Speaker B: Let's start with King heard. [00:17:49] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, we talked about them last week in the context of their single, which is. Which is out at the moment, like it used to be the album, which is also called King Heard. What did you think of it, Brian? I will give you my two penn'oth. What did you think? [00:18:10] Speaker B: Do you know what? You know the way they talk about compilation albums, Matt, when they say, listen to this album, there's something for everybody on an album. And when I listen to the King Heard album, there is something for everybody. It's. I know the, you know, Spotify and all these streaming services. Everybody wants to pigeonhole bands. And I suppose King Herder, known as an old alternative rock band. But when I listen to the album, it's got melodic rock. We're in ultra bridge, even journey territory. It's quite, really melodic. Then you can get into sort of like grungy, hard, detuned chugging, you know, you know, really sort of rough. You know, I'm good at. We talked about Black Sabbath and that kind of real dark black Sabbath, and I was just really surprised. Every track that I listened to, I was surprised when I listened through it. It wasn't formulaic in any way. And then I know, you know, the. The singer stands out for me, Dave Taylor. When I listened to Dave, I thought, you know, we don't really have anybody to actually. We're getting some really good english and british singers at the moment, Dan Byrne. But Dave's up there, you know, he's in that Miles Kennedy range of singing. So, yeah, so well produced. Sam Muller's produced it, who was involved with the Timbers movement. So I was pleasantly surprised, Matt, because I know we saw them at Steelhouse and I thought they were good, but the album is so well constructed, so well produced. A real welcome surprise for me. [00:20:10] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's great. Yeah, I loved it. I absolutely loved it. I would say it's in my top three albums of the year, as you say. It's got melody running through, which is an interesting balance with rock music and melody. They're kind of, in a way, strange bedfellows. Obviously, bands. There are melodic rock bands. By definition. There's a whole genre subgenre. But as you say, for a sort of four piece, essentially, kind of hard rock band, they've got that balance of great songs, great melody, as you say, great singer in Dave Taylor. I mean, as I said, I think in the last episode, they deserve to be huge in some respects. You could almost overlay Wolfgang Van Halen with them. They've got that similar kind of melodic sort of sonic appreciation, let's say, where it's about the songs, the delivery's great, but there's a melody running through the vocal which lifts the song. [00:21:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:16] Speaker A: And really drives it along. I absolutely love that album. Yeah. I mean, you know, songs, it's. I remember Def Leppard when they wrote hysteria. They were. They were. And you touched on it. I think when they were. When they wrote hysteria, they're almost writing a greatest hits album. And this, I mean, there's no weak songs. You know, it goes from Halo remedy. There were songs that were out last year. Somebody else, which is the next. Next song. [00:21:39] Speaker B: I love that song. Please put that on the playlist, Matt. [00:21:42] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Medicine was a song out last year. Great song. Like it used to be. We touched upon last episode. I mean, you know, it's. It's track after track of just pure gold and I loved it. And that's, as I say, it's one of my top three albums of the year so far. And bear in mind, we're in October. Might be hard to. Hard to. [00:22:01] Speaker B: Hard to displace ooh, high prison. [00:22:05] Speaker A: I've listened to it. Boys and girls. Go and buy it, by the way. No band up and coming. Go and buy it. Don't just stream it, go and buy it. Get a copy and buy and all. Buy a t shirt, etcetera. They're going to be huge. Great stuff. [00:22:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:16] Speaker A: So now Brian brings us to. I think we should go with Stephen Wilson. [00:22:22] Speaker B: I think so, too. Yes. [00:22:24] Speaker A: It's. Now you like a bit Stephen Wilson. Don't you? I am, yeah. And he's got you worship at the altar of Sir Stephen of Wilson. His new album is called the Harmony Codex, which is a nice name. It's kind of almost. It sort of says it all about the content of the album and some of the songs. I mean, you know, economies of scale, inclination. I mean, it's. In a way, it's not Prague. I'm just going to give you my summary of it quickly because I'm not. I'm not a Prague fan, as you very well know. I dabble in the dark arts of Prague occasionally with Russian, Pink Floyd and so on. But I'm not. I'm not sort of a. What's his band? He's in? Pineapple thief. [00:23:11] Speaker B: Uh, no, porcupine tree. [00:23:14] Speaker A: Oh, I was good as two minutes, too. [00:23:16] Speaker B: No, no, no. But, but Matthew, Matthew. There is a connection because Gavin Harrison is both the drummer in Porcupine Tree and the pineapple thief. So you are right, but you are wrong. [00:23:27] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it's. The PT, is there, but it just throws. [00:23:30] Speaker B: Exactly. Yes. [00:23:33] Speaker A: Pineapples and porcupines. I ask you. Anyway, I, um. You know. You know, we invented the genre Sunday morning rock. [00:23:42] Speaker B: Yes. [00:23:42] Speaker A: Well, this is Sunday morning Prague. This is Sunday morning Prague in my opinion. But it's not quite Prague. It's very. You know, there's lots of sampling, there's lots of drum. Drum tracks. Drum samples, call them what you will. It's. It's. It's quite an intriguing. It's a very interesting album. He's a good singer. Stephen Williams. Stephen Wilson, rather. He's a good singer, but he's no Paul Rogers. He's got a certain sort of understated style about him, let's say. But I think it's worth a listen. I mean, it's kind of. I would say it's kind of almost industrial techno prog in some respects. Or as I prefer Sunday morning Prague. But I would certainly have it on in the background. It's good dog walking music, I can tell you that. It just kind of. It just washes over you and, you know, this is pretty good, but I'm not really listening to it. I'm just letting it kind of, you know, enter my brain through my ears and just kind of swirl around and it's. It's a very. It's a very interesting kind of experience. Listen to a Steven Wilson album. My first time, by the way, I was a Stephen Wilson Virgin until I listened to that album. And it's pretty good. What do you think, Brian, I'm going to let you take centre stage next. I'm sure you loved it. [00:24:55] Speaker B: I. I wouldn't say I loved her because with Stephen Wilson. With Stephen Wilson albums and it's. You never get. If you get a Stephen Wilson album within the first lesson, it's quite linear. Then I think with a nat. With this album, there's two or three tracks that I. That I got straight away. The track that you have to put on the playlist, Matt, as a starter for ten, is impossible. Tightrope, which is the track, which is ten minutes and 42 seconds long. And when I was. When I was listening to the album, the best way I could describe this with the light and shade of this track was Frankie goes to Hollywood fused with Miles Davis and John Coltrane, because you had all. Yeah, you had. It was like you had the wonderful Trevor Horne crisp production, you know, kind of tears for fears, mid eighties production, really nice guitars, and then you had. And then the light and shade on it, you know, Craig Blondel, one of the standout musicians on the album, he, you know, Craig's an amazing drummer. Plays with Steve Hackett. Fabulous player. So it's all these brilliant time signature changes and then you have this jazz trumpet solo in the midst of it and you're going, as you say, you listen to it and going, oh, this sounds really, really good. And then he just knocks you off kilter with something that doesn't sound sonically melodic. But you go, I'll give it a chance. Yeah. You gotta be open to whatever Steven throws at you. So, to me, yeah, I was kind of. There was elements of early genesis, bits of tears for fears, and then you'll. And you're sort of. So you're intrigued and you're listening and then you'll get a track like what life begin, what life brings, and you get into that lovely Stephen Wilson sort of dream. Pastoral chorus choral singing lovely. You know, Sunday morning Prague. You're reading. You're reading your paper. It just copyrighted, by the way. Is that okay? How much do I put? I'll put a pound in the mat jar. So it was very, very interesting. It's not my favorite Stephen Wilson album, but so far. But it was really. It was just really interesting. And for somebody who, you know, wrote the album, it's a lockdown album. So he was basically in his garage, in his townhouse and he made that quality of an album. You know, it is, to me, it's modern day new progressive rock. So fabulous. If you. If you just fan. We'll put a couple of tracks on the playlist. I have to say, whenever I saw the title. The final point is, whenever I saw the title of track five on the album rock bottom, I did think of you. I didn't think, wonder if Matt's going, you know, could Stephen Wilson be doing a cover of a UFO song? [00:28:21] Speaker A: No, no, sadly not. Now, I like Stig Wilson. I like him because he is a self confessed diamond head fan. Is he? Yeah, I think he's brought up, like many of us on the Nawabam era. And, yeah, he's a diamond head fan. So he could do no wrong in my book, certainly in that respect. Yeah, have a listen. Boys and girls. The new album by Stephen Wilson, which is called the Harmony Codex, out now, weighs in at 1 hour and four minutes. Does you get value for money? Which brings us, Brian, to dark side of the Moon redux. Never quite sure what redux means in this context by Roger Waters. So this essentially is, as we touched on it, I think, a few episodes ago. Roger Waters is no longer, and hasn't been for many years, part of Pink Floyd, but he has re recorded in his own inimitable style, which we're coming to talk about the dark side of the Moon album, which was a colossal album from 1973, and, you know, one of the greatest albums, biggest selling albums of all time. And he has. He's re recorded songs, or the songs on the album, very stripped back. And he sings all of the lyrics that would have been sung by Dave Gilmore and Richard Wright and himself previously. Um, I'm just going to kind of carry on, Briar. I mean, it reminded me a lot. It's very almost spoken singing. Yeah, that kind of Johnny Cash style, which is quite, you know, fair enough, I guess. I mean, he does sing, but he also kind of talks. And there's a narrative kind of commentary running through it as well. It reminded me a bit of. Do you remember the War of the Worlds album from the late seventies with, I think it was Richard Burton, the actor, the great welsh actor was doing the commentary. It was a huge album. Jeff Wayne's War of the Worlds, I think it was called from about 1979 or something. It reminded me of that. He's got kind of this, as I said, this narrative, this commentary going through it. He talks about the death of his friend Don. He talks about all sorts of other kind of life and death type scenarios. There's a very kind of sort of almost morbid undertone to the. To the way he kind of portrays the album, which I think is you. We were talking about it earlier, I mean, dark side of the moon is about life and death within itself, but it's, there's a lot of, and you'll probably quote that introductory line in a minute because you've got that memory that I have. But he, there's a kind of a sense that he's in touch with his own mortality. Roger Waters, so there's this again, it's an interesting album. I would give it a chance. I would imagine Roger Waters Pink Floyd fans are all over this. But even if you're not, and if you're thinking, oh, no, don't, don't touch the original classic, have a listen, because it's, it's, again, it's a bit like Stephen Wilson. It kind of, it gets into your brain and starts sort of, you know, wheedling its way in and you can't help but kind of carry on listening to it and think, oh, what's us and them going to sound like? Great gig in the sky and so on. Anyway, enough of my yakkin. What did you think, Bry? [00:31:35] Speaker B: I, for me, I couldn't agree more with you, Matt. It was the images of Johnny Cash. It just felt like Roger Waters had gone into the studio with Rick Rubin. And let's do a completely stripped back version of dark side, but no solos, no Pink Floyd's always been, you know, you think of comfortably gnome and another brick in the wall. You've got that, the scales of Dave Gilmore's breathtaking, heavenly, angelic guitars. And then you've got the broodiness of Roger Waters, you know, telling his stories through his lyrics. So I was listening to it and I, and I just thought it was just brooding dark. It's actually five minutes. The album itself, the new version or the reimagining of the album, it's actually five minutes longer because he's played all the songs slower. It's like, I think dark side. I think Darkseid's something like 40. It's originally 42 minutes new. This new recorded version is 47 minutes. So it's so much slower. But like you, it works. And I know when I'm listening to, you know, Roger Waters does like to get lots of stuff off his chest and he's lots of things to say. But when you, when you listen to some of the lyrics and songs like brain damage and eclipse, which talk about life and, you know, just the journey of life, the first lyrics that he's, that he sings on the album, he says the measure of a man in his old age are the deeds of a man in his prime. And I just thought, how profound is that? It's just so. [00:33:41] Speaker A: I know. [00:33:42] Speaker B: So some of the. Some of the spoken word packet word passages were phenomenal. I have to say. There were some standout tracks for me, us, and them was phenomenal. You know, great gig in the sky. It just, as you say, you've got to give the album a chance. It's a completely different experience, and I think if you're of a certain age, it might resonate with you more. So if you're, you know, if you're our age and you understand what Darkseid's about, and this is. This is just a different sort of turn on it. I would say there was some of the spoken word package, spoken word passages, which. Which kind of took away from the lovely orchestral music. I would have. I would. It would have been. Less is more for me, Matt, some for some of the tunes. But I was kind of a bit. I wanted to dislike it because I love dark side of the moon, as you say. There are some albums. You go, please stay away. Don't touch. How can you touch an album that's sold 45 million? [00:34:58] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. [00:35:00] Speaker B: But we give it. [00:35:01] Speaker A: I'm with you. I'm with you all the way. Yeah. It's. As you said, it's dark, it's brooding. It's just like Roger water. It's a reflection of him as a person, as you say. He's got always got something to say. Not always. Not all of it is always palatable. [00:35:16] Speaker B: No. [00:35:16] Speaker A: As it were. But, yeah, it's an interesting take on the classic dark side of movie. So check it out, boys and girls. Check it out. [00:35:30] Speaker B: Matt. We move ever closer to the letter K in our a to z of rock. But that's next episode. This episode. [00:35:39] Speaker A: Yeah, I think probably. I'm thinking K was a. Yes. Oh, is it x? Oh, don't know. We'll maybe squeeze them in both. [00:35:48] Speaker B: But before we can go to K. Yeah. J we go to J. [00:35:52] Speaker A: Yes. That's normally how it works. Yeah. J to K. So it j, aren't we? Well, we got there quickly. [00:36:01] Speaker B: We were never going to skip j, were we? [00:36:07] Speaker A: No. Oh, you're getting too good at this. So you want to start with journey then, do you? [00:36:11] Speaker B: I don't want to start my journey. [00:36:15] Speaker A: Journey. I mean, rises. Bride can't resist a bit of don't stop believing. Their signature anthem, journey still going strong. Probably most remembered. Really, what kind of. [00:36:33] Speaker B: I was going to really. They're going. They're together. Contractually obliged to be together. [00:36:41] Speaker A: Yeah. That's right. So I was quite intrigued by this when I was reading the history. They were formed in 1973, so it's their 50th anniversary this year. [00:36:49] Speaker B: Yes. [00:36:50] Speaker A: I'm not sure they're going to be celebrating, particularly. And they were formed out of. This is great. I know they were formed out members of Santana and Steve Miliband, but also a band called hold onto your hats, Frumious Bandersnatch. Yeah, we meshed them in the fs, didn't we? Frumious Bandersnatch. [00:37:17] Speaker B: We did. [00:37:17] Speaker A: Anyway, I think their golden era was when was when the great Steve Perry joined in 1978. I mean, what a singer. Steve Perry. I mean, and then. And that took him stratospheric, as you touched on don't stop believing the escape album, which I think we highlighted under the letter e. And he's just. I think they were just huge. I mean, one of the greatest bands in the world, 80 three's follow up, frontiers, is pretty good, too. I've had one or two ups and downs with their members, as you say. I think they're still kind of suing each other, aren't they? For various reasons. And then little old Arnel Pineda, who they plucked from, I think, a journey tribute band to replace Steve Perry called Zoo. He was in the middle of it. [00:38:02] Speaker B: He was called the zoo. That was the band. Yeah, the band was called the Zoo. And he was playing in Manila. And Neil Sean famously saw men on YouTube. Let's get our new lead singer from YouTube. And then they just flew him over, stuck him in rehearsal studio, and there he is. He's been the singer ever since. Dreams can happen. [00:38:26] Speaker A: Yeah, well, that's true, boys and girls. Yes. I wouldn't advocate sticking your whole life on YouTube just to be picked out of obscurity, but, yes, good case point. In fact, we'll come on to a similar scenario later on. [00:38:39] Speaker B: I think I know who you're going to talk about. [00:38:42] Speaker A: Well, I think you do, too. But journey, I mean, what a band. Love them. I've never seen them. Have you seen them, Brian? [00:38:49] Speaker B: I did. I saw them, um. I saw them in the early two thousands, um, when they were on the package, um, tour of journey, Foragnur and Styx. That's a power ballad trio indeed. [00:39:10] Speaker A: And I met a few singers. I don't know what song singer you saw, but they've had, um. Steve augury obviously mentioned Steve Perry, Arnel Pineda, but in between times, they've had. They've had Jeff. [00:39:22] Speaker B: Yep. Jeff's got sotto. Yep. [00:39:24] Speaker A: Jeff's got. So they've had, as I touched on, Steve Augury. He's a good singer. [00:39:32] Speaker B: Great singer. [00:39:33] Speaker A: The list of previous members. Randy Jackson. Is that Randy Jackson from the Jackson five? That can't be. [00:39:39] Speaker B: No, no, no. Actually it's Randy Jackson from America. You know, the. The. America's got Talent. [00:39:47] Speaker A: Oh, that Randy Jackson. [00:39:48] Speaker B: He's bass player. [00:39:49] Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay. All right. Nerado. Michael Warden. Remember him? So on Prairie. Prairie Prince. He was in the tubes, wasn't he? I didn't realize he was in. He was in. And he was also a Jefferson starship. Prairie Prince. Really a bit of a tongue twister. Gin and tonic on a Saturday afternoon. It was also a member of Jefferson Starship who we should mention in the context of Jay's. Only because of the magnificent song Jane that came out in about 1980 or 1980. [00:40:20] Speaker B: Oh, Mickey Thomas. Oh, fabulous. [00:40:23] Speaker A: Not the Manchester United and welsh player, by the way, different Mickey Thomas. [00:40:30] Speaker B: That would be soccer journey and soccer for our american listeners. [00:40:35] Speaker A: Yes. Hello, America, by the way, to quote def Leppard. Hope you're doing well over there. And Canada, of course, and everywhere else, for that matter. Get in touch, Facebook, etcetera. Right, where should we go next, Brian? That's a J, Brian. [00:40:56] Speaker B: Jellyfish. [00:41:01] Speaker A: Jellyfish, yes. You talk us through jellyfish. I don't know much about jellyfish. [00:41:04] Speaker B: Jellyfish. Jellyfish are a band that was in the. There's so many similarities between another band that I love. Jellyfish. Jellyfish, yes. But we'll not talk about them till next episode. Jellyfish are purveyors of. I nearly got to see them, Matt. Jellyfish. Yeah. Jellyfish were on the bill. They opened up the bill for in excesses, you know, in excesses. Big live show that they did at Wembley Stadium, which was. Which came. Which came in the album live baby life. They. [00:41:42] Speaker A: Yes. [00:41:42] Speaker B: Yep. So they. Yeah, so jellyfish opened up the build for that. So they've only ever played in the UK a few times, a few clubs, etcetera. They released three. Two albums. One which was called Belly Button, and the other one which is called spilt milk. Amazing albums. It's just power pop, you know, if you like your ten cc, Beach Boys, Todd Rundgren, XTC class, and merge it with harmony vocals, that is jellyfish. Amazing band. Sold about six copies. And then they all broke up in 1993, made two albums. And in the classic case of bands that never make it, everybody loads them and talks about them. Mike Portnoy is a massive fan of jellyfish. Any opportunity he talks about. Yes. [00:42:44] Speaker A: Yes, indeed. The great Mike Portnoy. Yeah, you're right. [00:42:47] Speaker B: I mean, I think they're one of. [00:42:48] Speaker A: Those bands that you kind of heard of in the context of, as you say, living colour in Kings X and so on. That kind of late eighties, sort of strange, kind of alternative pop rock kind of vibe to them. But they never really, as you say, never really made it. But nice to see you're still kind of, you know, flying the flag for them, bry, all these years later. Hopefully you will see them at some point. As you were talking about jellyfish, a song popped into my head which. And we talked about John Sykes earlier, actually. Jelly roll, yes. Blue murder. That's a song, isn't it? Only love will break your heart. I think of something like that where the lyric is. And is that the lyric? [00:43:31] Speaker B: I can't remember. You know me with lyrics. [00:43:34] Speaker A: Yeah. Anyway, sit down there. To prove myself right or wrong, I'll put it on the playlist. We can't overlook the mighty priest, which is like, I made. They are officially known as the Mighty Judas Priest these days. Open brackets, the mighty, closed brackets, Judas priest, um, who've been going since 1969. Although, interestingly, this is. This is. I think we touched upon this, actually, on a previous episode. Um, they. They started as Judas Priest, then broke up as Judas priest, as it were, um, in about 1971 or something. And, um, kk downing, um, on Ian Hill, were friends and they were in a band called Freight, with the original singer of Judas Priest, Al Atkins. Now, Al left freight. Good name for a band, isn't it? And was replaced by a young gentleman by the name of Rob Halford, from a band called Hiroshima. That's a good name for a band as well, wasn't it? And he said to him, I really like that. The name of that band used to be in Judas Priest. Can we rekindle that name? And that's what they did. They kind of took the sort of redundant name and became, well, Judas Priest. Since about 1972 with Sir Robert of Halford, they have sold, believe it or not, in their career, 50 million albums, which, I mean, is colossal breakthrough with british steel in 1980. I first got into about 1979 with the magnificent live album Unleashed in the east, which is kind of half recorded Japan, half recorded in a studio in England, but more about that another time. And they got kind of global. The global breakthrough album was nice. These two screaming for vengeance. So, yes, Judas Priest, we love the priest, don't we, Brian? [00:45:28] Speaker B: We do indeed. And I think when you talk about the 50 million albums, they're massive in America. When you think of Aussie pulling out of the paratroop festival and Judas Priest being put in. When I saw. It was interesting when you saw the comments on social media where european fans would go, Aussies up there, Premier League and Judas priests, you know, more of a support to Aussie. But when you saw the american response to it, they. Everybody's going, oh, parchips just got better because priests there, it's like, yeah, yeah, amazing. [00:46:19] Speaker A: Reminded me. It reminded me of. Remember I think was a couple years ago. Was it stone dead or steelhouse? Ace freely was search for the headliners with, oh, that's good. You know, here's some kiss songs, all that kind of stuff. And then he pulled out and Saxon will, her headliner were like, okay, that's even better. So I felt maybe because if it was Aussie and priest, I would be the same. I'm not a big Aussie fan, but I love priest. [00:46:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:44] Speaker A: So. And long way they continue a new album coming out which is called Invincible Shield. Lead off song off that called Panic Attack. Pretty good. Classic priest. Rob Halford sounded fantastic. So. Yes, the mighty priest, Judas Priest, long may they continue. [00:47:01] Speaker B: Absolutely right. And somebody who. I remember this video on top of the pops. This is one of the classic, I'm just going to say classic rock songs of the late seventies, early eighties. This. The song is I love rock and roll. And it is by Joan Jett and the black hearts. So I would like to present Joan Jetta into our a to z of rock and roll because that is just one of those songs. Do you remember. Remember the video on top of the pops where she comes in and she. I do the jukebox. It was probably. Do you know what? It's probably the first time I ever saw a jukebox, Matt, on a video. And there was Joan just looking, you know, amazing. And an interesting fact that she didn't actually record. The first version that she ever recorded of I love rock and roll wasn't with the black heart. It was with Paul Cook and Steve Jones from the six Pistols. They actually recorded that and put that out as a b side for one of her singles. So. Yeah, and then. So that was Joan, her big single. And you kind of go. And she was on the motley crue, def Lepper. So she's still going. She's still going strong. And there's been some fantastic documentaries in the past about obviously the runaways and what she was doing with that band. And you had. Oh my goodness, you had Sherry Curry and obviously Lita Ford. So one of the. Probably one of the forerunners of an all. First all female rock band from the early seventies. Then you would had rock goddess. Oh, my goodness. And all of the other female rock. So I think she's a bit of a rock and roll pioneer, is all. Joan Jett. [00:49:10] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, she's done so many good songs, bad reputation, I hate myself for loving you and so on. Yeah, I thought you're going to say, of course, that I love rock and roll. In fact, was a cover, of course, yes, by the. The excellent british band who. Quite kind of boy band back in the. I mean, I remember them in the mid seventies, actually, by british band Arrows, but, yeah, I think she made it her own. And as you say, it's. If it's. If you ever buy those kind of dad rock father's Day compilations, it's always on there, isn't it? [00:49:44] Speaker B: It is indeed. [00:49:46] Speaker A: Yeah. Good, good shout, Joan Jettison. Right, Brian, let's move along. So I'm going to just throw in jeans in the Jays. [00:49:55] Speaker B: Okay? [00:49:56] Speaker A: Uh, we talked about denim, we talk about denim jackets, but jeans, um. Wow. Much coveted, of course, when we were young. I mean, I think in Ireland, you told me you were big wrangler fans. Yes, we coveted the Levi jeans back in the day. So you were Wrangler Wranglers and Lees, weren't you? [00:50:15] Speaker B: Yes, it was wranglers and Lees. And famously, mama's boys. Mama's boys. If you see some of the early promotional pictures for Mama's boys and their early singles, they were sponsored by Lee. So if you could get like a Lee t shirt with Mama's. Oh, they were honestly. Well, if you dig into early promotional pictures of mama's boys, you could get badges and everything. It was all, you know, wranglers, was it? And then mama's boys had Lee's. So you're going, oh, my, Lee Jeans. And then. And then, of course, you, you work your way up to the Premier League and then you're wearing Levi's. [00:51:00] Speaker A: That's right. Who, I think sponsored quo for a while. I mean, wouldn't you? I mean, the band that is most synonymous with denim. Yes. Jeans. And finally, there's a lot of Joneses. There is music you touched on stick you might touch upon. Steve Jones. Yeah, I think of the Sex Pistols earlier. I mean, not surprisingly, there's a lot of challenges. I met one, of course, at Gatwick a few weeks ago, john Paul Jones of Led Zepp. And you and I were thinking, we've got enough Joneses to form a super group. [00:51:32] Speaker B: Exactly. Super group. You're getting good, aren't you? [00:51:36] Speaker A: Super group. 54 episodes. You're seeking him. [00:51:40] Speaker B: Excuse me, I've got that one. Copyrighted. [00:51:45] Speaker A: Teaching. Yes. So you have Kenny Jones on the drums. [00:51:50] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:51:51] Speaker A: From the faces and the who and a band called the Jones Gang that you mentioned, Brian. [00:51:56] Speaker B: Yes, yes, Jones Gang. That was a band that Kenny put together with Robert Hart, who was one of the replacement singers for Paul Rogers in bad company. I think Robert still continues to go out and perform with Dave Bucket. Colwell. [00:52:16] Speaker A: That's right, yeah. I've got to save in a few weeks, actually. [00:52:18] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Robert's a. Robert's a. Robert's a great singer and Dave's a brilliant guitar player. So. So, yes, so we've got. So we've got Kenny Jones in the drums and we've got. We got your mate on base, haven't we, John Paul? [00:52:33] Speaker A: Yep. Hello, John Paul. Okay, thanks. That'll do. Think. Let's set a little. A little wave and a smile. I would like to nominate on the lead guitar Mister Mick Jones, a foreigner. [00:52:48] Speaker B: Oh, yes. [00:52:50] Speaker A: Well, you can have Mick Jones of the Clash, of course, on rhythm and lead and vocals, to an extent. [00:52:58] Speaker B: Can you imagine having two Mick Jones in your band? Right, Mick, you take this solo. [00:53:05] Speaker A: Me? No, not you, Mick. The other. What? No, not you, Mick. Mick. Who said Mick? No, Mick. Not Mick. Yes, it'd be very, very, very. No, Mick J. I am Mick J. And so on. Very confusing. And I would like to go with Kelly Jones of stereophonics up front. A singer, we love him. [00:53:29] Speaker B: That's a really good shout. And can we have heard Jones on keyboards? [00:53:34] Speaker A: We can, yes. Great shout. What a band. What band is it going to be? What would they be called? Keeping up with the Joneses, possibly, something like that, yeah. You got to think about one now, aren't you? [00:53:47] Speaker B: No, no, no, no. Keeping up with the Joneses. [00:53:52] Speaker A: Right. Any other jays? Any other. [00:53:55] Speaker B: Well, you were going to honorable mentions. Well, before we. Yeah, honorable mentions we'll do in a minute, but let's circle back round. You were talking about Mister Arnold Pineda and you were wanting to maybe mention somebody who had a similar experience about being potentially plucked from obscurity and ended up being in one of the biggest bands in the world who may have played at Paratroop. [00:54:19] Speaker A: Yes, that's right, yes. Well, yeah, we have a look there, didn't we? And it was this kind of centerpiece for the. For the. For the movie Rockstar. Yes. When Tim Owen was plucked from a priest tribute band to replace Rob Halford in about 97, I think it was. I saw him with them, actually. He did a good job. Tim Ripper Owens. [00:54:42] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:54:44] Speaker A: And as I said, they kind of captured that story in the film Rockstar, where Mark Wahlberg plays the, if you like, the Tim Owens character, and then he's replaced in the final part of the film by, of course, a new singer in the band Steel Dragon, who is a very young Miles Kennedy. [00:55:04] Speaker B: That's correct. Yeah. [00:55:06] Speaker A: Yeah. Good film, that rockstar. Bit cheesy, but, you know, Mark Wahlberg plays himself and Jennifer Aniston plays herself, so, you know, it's not all bad. But. Yes, you're right. Yeah, it's not. It's not the first time they plucked someone from relative obscurity to be launched into the spotlight, fronting one of the greatest, biggest bands in the world, as you say, journey and priest. Two Jays. There you go. [00:55:28] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:55:30] Speaker A: Right. Honorable mentions. Sorry, honorable mention. I keep interrupting you. Brian Johnson, of course. The great Brian Johnson of AC DC. Mick Jagger, of course. We touched upon him last couple of episodes. I'm not sure what decides to do with his $500 million just yet, but we shall find out in due course. You got any others, Brian? [00:55:51] Speaker B: Elton John. [00:55:53] Speaker A: Wow. Of course. Elton. Hercules John. Also Reggie Dwight, of course. Yes, but yes, the great Elton John, of course. Bless him. I think we should throw in Janis Joplin, of course, double J is there. And the greatest, most influential, influential female voices, sadly left us at the age of 27, like many others, as did Brian Jones from the Stones, of course, who we overlooked earlier in the context of the new Jones supergroup. Yes, that's a very fruitful letter, J. Next time it's K, Brian. You don't have to contain yourself. [00:56:32] Speaker B: You don't even have to turn up, mate. [00:56:36] Speaker A: I wasn't planning to. I bet you can't contain yourself with a capital k, can you? [00:56:41] Speaker B: Even more for the fact that they made it into latest copy of classic rock magazines. And how many of my lovely rock, rock friends all messaged me and went, look, Brian, King Zix. [00:56:58] Speaker A: Look. At last mentioned in mainstream media. Long last, all these years later. Yes, yes, we're very pleased, people, aren't we? Open up classic rock magazine this month. Right, enough of the jays. [00:57:14] Speaker B: Hidden gin time. Nice. [00:57:17] Speaker A: Thanks, Lola. Sounding great, as always. That's what you got for Sprite. [00:57:22] Speaker B: I am going for. Probably. I'm going for a scottish band this episode. [00:57:29] Speaker A: Are you? [00:57:30] Speaker B: I am indeed. [00:57:30] Speaker A: For the first time. [00:57:31] Speaker B: Not for the first time. And I am going for a band from Scotland that do not sound like a band from Scotland. This is a band. [00:57:44] Speaker A: It's not. [00:57:47] Speaker B: This is the story of the greatest scottish american rock band. This is a band. There's big build up to this, Matt, and you're gonna go, yeah, I know who they are. This is a band. [00:58:01] Speaker A: Oh, it's one of those. You gotta test me to guess it. [00:58:04] Speaker B: Well, I could. I could if you wanted. Could if you wanted. This was. This was a band that. In Kerrang. So those of us at a certain age will remember that in Kerang, we used to. Whenever you reviewed albums, albums went from, like one k to five ks. So I remember a few episodes ago, there was an album called Only Child. Do you remember only child, Matt? Because I know you'll. You'll have never stopped listening to something that was by Paul Sabu. And it got. It got a. [00:58:42] Speaker A: That's right, yeah. [00:58:43] Speaker B: It got like a special. It was the only one ever to get, you know, like a six k's or wherever it was. It got. So anyway, this band, this scottish band in 1987 got a five K review in Kerrang. The album was called Native Sons. And the lead singer in the band was somebody called Terry Brock. Are you getting warm at all, Matt? [00:59:14] Speaker A: I'm getting there. [00:59:15] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Curtis, Peter, you might struggle. You might struggle. Anyway, I'll put Terry Brock. [00:59:23] Speaker A: Remember that name. [00:59:24] Speaker B: Yeah. Terry Brock's amazing singer, but Terry was american singer. He was. He'd been involved in Kansas, etcetera, but he recorded with a scottish band called Strange Ways. Oh, yeah, and strange ways. Strange ways were one of those bands in the eighties that were always in Kerrang. It was like strange ways. Heavy petting. There was like a. There was so many chariots. There were so many. I know, even fm. Well, talk, you know, you had great, great british, melodic, aor rock bands, and Native Sons is very deserving of its five ks. So my hidden gem for this episode, Matt, is strange ways. Native Sons, you listen to. Oh, my goodness. Tracks like where do we go from here? Goodnight, la. Terry Brooks singing on it is amazing. They got back together in 2010. There's a festival in Manchester which I've never been to. We should try and go to it sometime, called Fyre Fest, which is a very melodic, melodic rock festival. And they got back together, I think it was in 2010. There's some footage on. On YouTube and Terry's just sounding the same fabulous, so hidden gem for me, this episode, strange ways, native Sons. Pick whatever tracks you want off that, Matt. It's an amazing album. All about you, mate. [01:01:05] Speaker A: Very good. Yeah. Good choice. Well, we talked about Judas Priest earlier and we talked about their kind of groundbreaking breakthrough albums, british steel screen for vengeance and so on. But I'm going to pick kind of an overlooked priest album from 1981. It's their point of entry album now. It's. It's. It holds a place dear to my heart. That's right. Expression. Because that was the first tour that I saw Priest on Hammersmith, Apollo, Odians. It was in those days. And they come up. They came on to song with the album called Solar Angels. It's often overlooked. It's got some great songs in it. Heading out to the highway, which is kind of still on their set list, I think. Desert Plains, soul of angels. I mentioned hot rocking was a hit single. Terrible name, but good single. It's one of those albums that gets overlooked because they're riding on the crest of a wave of british deal, which came out in 1980 and was part of that kind of nwobam phenomenon we talked, talked about many times. They. They decided to record this album in Ibiza, which is, I don't think was and is a kind of a, you know, a sort of hard rock, heavy metal kind of location, particularly, but they decided to call record it there. And, of course, when you're recording an album in album in Ibiza and you've got a few quid and you've got a, you know, a tendency to enjoy the many things in life, let's say there's a lot of distractions. So the album, I think, kind of suffered because of those distractions. I think KK Downing was on the brink of leaving during that era because he was so distracted and so on. But it's a good album. I like it and it's worth a listen. It's produced by the great Tom Alom. Good songs. That is to say, it's well worthy of the title of a hidden gem. So for me, from 1981, Judas Priest and their point of entry album. [01:03:09] Speaker B: Good show. [01:03:10] Speaker A: There you go. Do you know that album? [01:03:13] Speaker B: No. [01:03:15] Speaker A: You will now. You will. Exactly. That's the kind of the essence of a hidden gem, isn't it? [01:03:20] Speaker B: Absolutely. [01:03:20] Speaker A: You will now. So that's it, Brian, I think we're done. [01:03:24] Speaker B: We are indeed. [01:03:25] Speaker A: Episode 54 in the bag with little bow on it. Little pink. Pink and spotted pink bow. I think this time. Check us out on Facebook, everyone, please get in touch. Please. You know, like us on Facebook or follow us or whatever people do. We're also on Scotland rocks radio every third Tuesday, so have a listen. Brian's got a podcast they recorded on his own. I was off sick at the time with my lung infection, so I didn't really feel like talking to anyone. Brian's done a fantastic interview. You with the great skinny knowledge, which is coming out, I think, this week. They've got a new album about. End of this month, Brian, end of October. [01:04:05] Speaker B: They have indeed. [01:04:06] Speaker A: Great. Sounds great. Yeah. Great band. So, yeah, check out Brian's interview with skinny knowledge. He's done a great job, by the way. Well done, Brian. And it was good to listen. I listened to the edit and published it yet, but it's great to hear. It's great to hear you talking without me because it was like I could just sit back and enjoy this. It's great. So, yeah, check out, uh, Brian's interview with skinny knowledge. And, um, good luck to them. I'm going to see them next year with Jack J. Hutchinson. I made a point of going to see them. [01:04:32] Speaker B: That's a nice build. Yeah. [01:04:33] Speaker A: Yeah, check us out. Yeah, absolutely. Uh, check us out on Facebook. As I said, we're on x when we couldn't be bothered to, uh, tweet anything. We're on Instagram and, uh, well, Spotify platforms, I think. Have I covered it all bright? [01:04:47] Speaker B: I think you have. You've done very well. [01:04:48] Speaker A: Yeah. Geez. Yeah. Christy. Anyway, look, see you next time. Yes, indeed. Thanks for listening, one. See you next time. Take care of yourself. Lots of love. Best wishes. Rock on. Those bad pod. We salute you. Is a mailee Rogers production.